From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 18:06:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2076B106564A for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BED38FC2E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:06:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl7-22.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.134.22]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id mBDI6ch5017416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:43 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mBDI6cvr003567; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id mBDI6cPa003566; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20081213143200.GA5026@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <18755.53118.854987.966113@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081213182336.V41178@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <87skosf02b.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20081213184751.N41297@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech Puchar's message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:48:55 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: <87myf07xw2.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MailScanner-ID: mBDI6ch5017416 X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.859, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Robert Huff , Michel Talon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:06:47 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:48:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? >> >> I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on >> FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in >> for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece >> of software also runs on AmigaOS? Not really, IMO :) > > do you ask say - microsoft - about supporting program that doesn't run > under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. In the hypothetical scenario that I would be a Mac user who is happy with his MacOS application, why would I want to bother with Microsoft at all? In the other hypothetical scenario that I would be a happy Microsoft user who finds something nice about MacOS, would I ask MacOS people if they want to port their program to Windows, or would I ask the rest of my Windows pals if they know of an equivalent program for my OS? > no. You are drawing a hypothetical scenario out of thin air, a fictional answer that *I* would give in that case, and then responding to that answer. It sounds like fun, but it isn't very useful as an argument that proves some unstated point. > so stop asking on FreeBSD group about flash support. it's not FreeBSD > developers job. I'm not asking FreeBSD developers about flash support. One of the reasons is that I _am_ one of the FreeBSD developers, so I (usually) know what works and what doesn't. Another reason is that Flash is not everything. There are literally _thousands_ of programs that one can use on FreeBSD. You seem to be fervently pushing an agenda that FreeBSD should do one thing or that freebsd-questions should do another, but you are missing a very important point: FreeBSD is not something because we "wish" it to be that thing. It is and it becomes what we _make_ it be. So, if you want it to be an OS that ignores anything that has not been specifically `designed for BSD', including the thousands of programs included in the Ports collection, you are free to do so with _your_ installations of FreeBSD. What irks me and really gets me to spend some time answering posts in this thread is that you seem to believe that it is ok to tell everybody else what to do with *their* FreeBSD time or what to support on freebsd-questions by spending _their_ time writing helpful answers to user questions. I'm afraid this isn't going to work very well.