From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 12 04:05:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0166116A4CE for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 04:05:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589AE43D80 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 04:05:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j4C46Fb99845; Wed, 11 May 2005 21:06:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Michal Mertl" Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:05:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1115852338.875.9.camel@genius1.i.cz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: NTP issues with 5.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 04:05:47 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Michal Mertl > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:59 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: NTP issues with 5.4 > > > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > Did you do an in-place update or a nuke-and-repave update? > > > > if it's an in-place update, then do a nuke-and-repave on your > > test system and see if the problem still happens. If not then > > there's a library or something somewhere that the updater > forgot about. > > It update with buildworld and mergemaster. I doubt the issue can be > cause by something in my config or installation. By 'nuke-and-repave' > you mean fresh install? I can't do that on the machines in > question, one > of them is acting as a router. > Then go to Goodwill and buy a $10 PC and load 5.4 on it. Your making excuses. If you have that many production systems that you just can't turn off, then you damn well better have a test system. You updated with buildworld and mergemaster - these programs are only as good as the developers make them, and their configs. Maybe someone made a mistake and it wasn't caught in the beta cycle, because all the beta testers did nuke and repaves, not buildworlds. I have never once done a buildworld and mergemaster to go to a updated version of FreeBSD on any of my servers, and I have dozens that I run in production with FreeBSD. I always do nuke and repaves. And during the last few versions I even stopped installing the precompiled X and started building X from scratch, after my fresh installs - this avoided dozens of Firefox bugs that others have wasted days chasing. I am NOT advising YOU to stop your buildworlds as a means of upgrading. I AM advising you that when you have a problem like this that the FIRST thing you need to do is a comparison between an upgraded system and a system that is a fresh install. Ted