From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 3 16:33:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFCB106566C; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:33:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmakonnen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f158.google.com (mail-fx0-f158.google.com [209.85.220.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD65D8FC0C; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:33:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmakonnen@gmail.com) Received: by fxm2 with SMTP id 2so2462717fxm.43 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:33:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wbNcWrZrGCryAU1uGsoBYwseYg0toS9KZWXkW4XOXDY=; b=JiT/p7KKa9b7BK4Gf/AvLoFAnR+uXhXuphy71e5Un+nJzvzI9u9VdWPgm1SWalpwFe cMW4wOHeg6OZIUOqvHqCbCwDFEWqY4kv4/q2rFhVZScv4QvMvonuJO6xlf0kktOicgus ktZbwXzl3ieVro+Unn+szgQkSWdhgN7ZhFEhI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EAqpeQPF4DvK3PG1PVLcFrT4b0m5uv1u9v/sRIxTmWqb7LnQmjL9PfM2qlltz3FoOX 5craNPWUfXALK4hRgV1dzL3jFRtVeL99H7PBJB0/CFw9u3OuWEWUdPaK+1nEOmwHnhuD pobXI7QU0Gge2ghwqlT44ebN3QlqtyeJts9uQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.96.18 with SMTP id t18mr2182881fgb.25.1236098019857; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:33:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20090302.181513.1973603215.imp@bsdimp.com> References: <2fd864e0903020512i22b2c31fg487aaf37fed6398b@mail.gmail.com> <20090302.132522.-432836388.imp@bsdimp.com> <20090302233215.GA53763@duncan.reilly.home> <20090302.181513.1973603215.imp@bsdimp.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:33:39 +0300 Message-ID: <584bfc3f0903030833k70405609q7e2d3b28c8cf4c29@mail.gmail.com> From: Mike Telahun Makonnen To: "M. Warner Losh" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:16:09 +0000 Cc: usb@freebsd.org, andrew-freebsd@areilly.bpc-users.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, astrodog@gmail.com, yanefbsd@gmail.com Subject: Re: The rc.d mess strikes back X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:33:42 -0000 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:15 AM, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <20090302233215.GA53763@duncan.reilly.home> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Andrew Reilly writes: > : On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 01:25:22PM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: > : > In message: <2fd864e0903020512i22b2c31fg487aaf37fed6398b@mail.gmail.c= om> > : > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Astrodog writes: > : > : As unfortunate (and annoying) as that delay was, your system was in= a > : > : "defined" state, at the end of rc.d. As things stand now, that does= n't > : > : appear to be the case anymore, and I think that may be a more > : > : significant issue than the delay. > : > > : > I'd be happy with synchronous dhcp. Ok. I've been waiting to see if brooks@ was going to weigh in on this, but I'll go ahead and make the change now and see if there is any more fall-out. Once that's done, network behaviour should be more or less the same as before my change, with the exception that any DHCP interfaces that aren't plugged in may delay the boot by more than 30sec. [snip] > > : Needing synchronous DHCP as a work-around here is just the > : signifier of the problem: it isn't the over-all solution. > > It is a short-term work-around at best. >From the problems that have been reported so far it seems to me the problem is with some drivers that repeatedly bring the network link up and down. The *ideal* solution seems (to me) to be to fix these drivers. Am I wrong? Cheers. Mike.