From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 15 20:03:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B43106EC1B for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:03:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic310-13.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic310-13.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82889786C8 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:03:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: ffoDo1QVM1nvK1Kvk_vX1rKlMameowaPOglNv9DlHcuIHwm12uhmnhR_I8eiKJn 7s50zjIdG3Kqz2p.EXEvqNwiLOpxU0lBszv0..3t1Ttrd7uPWhfvK2D3waKWgB0plHKZj9.s3vXJ qEVD1U_jiiRjs3DIxGmPRAhTvuru2Jlmw5p9QpsB3dDI7YmUBQnRKYYXYjM5vPd_1PO9JoUSmV4D w4FcO4kYz06G4WiMj8aAWoqSC3kZf3PhO3OLbGr68CxqpPn1gdxIl43Xx.KzO45dT0Czpc.JYd8C yQLRF0gxC1qJ_9CTD0W0OJckrDxd6HcXpjNplPwh.GnDS4qXs7hDYGJJPzM6LY2n_IWrayyUMXd_ Qjz7kle7zdf.QnJE3CBEMSIQfT7rss6W4brrIMOYjN9fUKw74xbehssysJyWL5hqKMpSvvoyyGO8 I4dfW0xQxQm3khL_JSu0hqcuNArjE4zDaMvjR5BkAWyI_WF5fglZHaFOejMIVmEAEXDdt5f40E98 Zft6d1oLXSos77MwE4J7OiRSeAn7MQjIktqZDSdeIjOmk4FScB_iOJfNiPGwf0C551e6YwgJlslr byY8FxyUhZZ7t8liU6vIOLOabgTKuMi6jCW9r7xi5pubPMJ0V8r3BQ52eDjFUPOZCer7DNJS7I_q W4CZ.CzkTX7YIEi0QVh4sqG4HvbKxuEiNmNPcbIOwLyjEWhlIqkGcTnnQj1SV0K9.KdIO97o1N.x AapoKo6l7UynhdlRsuvqg2upS_BOoOD8Ykx5Ls1VaqXRCH8X10Qvon397VCXhvciTKZ65iuSubW5 XlTc2_khPhYXwnHTtX.zhP2NtbaE3t97.oTLMJp06lyegO9gKW9vGCt5yE.MWWyA5r91pW4GA2zU 8QDRGBfWjme4X9NiqH_89yxwNvay.z9VBr55hJcF50duS6b2qFJ.L_uIVHzMxYXewR1au06yx_lt GGunLheLvJ3cSoMmA5iO53rMl.gtjY8ZeXNweTZh1aamNc_D.uxQGlfGB3bKM3RevWTbvaulogi0 fbWveMg0- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic310.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:03:36 +0000 Received: from x5ce1f24a.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([92.225.242.74]) by smtp410.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d5ab2d6db75f174d3116f53a76cc4842 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:53:28 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello... Message-ID: <20180815215328.7345a809@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <175f53e88fb5ebf26527882827080cd7@cannabis.fr.pl> <20180815182210.GA23701@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20180815185702.GA8882@sh4-5.1blu.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git213 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:03:39 -0000 On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:05:21 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: >Man, if you can't beat them then adapt or die. I was religious about >this shit too but only to discover the ignorant assholes are making >all the money so screw that. If the mainstream MUAs are not following, >and it's not just Google, it's Apple Mail, Outlook and many more, so >if the mailing list archives can't deal with change then it's the >latter's fault and they will just fade away. This time I could resist to reply to the junk mail topic and I even was able to ignore the posting style topic for a while, but please stop swearing. Some of us, including myself, sometimes offend netiquette. No hard feelings! While we're on it, interleaved posting and bottom posting is preferred on most, if not all mailing lists related to FLOSS operating systems and mailing lists for software written for those operating systems. I'm not aware of any MUA for those operating systems, that doesn't provide bottom posting as the default for replies. Indeed, if I use my iPad I need to move the cursor to the bottom, which isn't really hard to do, let alone that trimming quotes and interleave posting anyway is what most of the times is done, so the default position of the cursor most of the times is irrelevant. On FLOSS MUA mailing lists, e.g. Evolution, subscribers sometimes mention bugs of proprietary MUAs, e.g. Outlook Express, and they ask the developers of the FLOSS MUAs to fix issues caused by those bugs by mails sent from the proprietary MUAs, instead of reporting the bug to upstream of the proprietary MUAs. Instead of adapting something wrong and complaining at the wrong place, consider to send a feature request to the right addressee.