From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 28 09:53:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B8C16A4CE for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:53:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35B743D2F for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:53:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from fwd16.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DR5hl-0004ah-04; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:53:09 +0200 Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (ZY7CoaZV8eAtsUbGe7hMgzq9QfW2JenLKiPZocix7nijB6UPU0RSrT@[84.128.204.245]) by fwd16.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DR5hc-1vC9Nw0; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:53:00 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])j3S9qwFu051738; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:52:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from 141.113.101.32 ([141.113.101.32]) by netchild.homeip.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:52:58 +0200 Message-ID: <20050428115258.rpvu466t68so80w4@netchild.homeip.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:52:58 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: "Matthew D. Fuller" References: <57436.216.177.243.42.1114582155.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <426FDE69.8090909@samsco.org> <426FE1EA.7020900@kutulu.org> <20050427212637.GL98718@over-yonder.net> In-Reply-To: <20050427212637.GL98718@over-yonder.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) / FreeBSD-4.11 X-ID: ZY7CoaZV8eAtsUbGe7hMgzq9QfW2JenLKiPZocix7nijB6UPU0RSrT@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 76ad41ef-95d7-4516-84a7-570f1e79917b cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot banner project X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:53:12 -0000 "Matthew D. Fuller" wrote: >> Mounting File Systems ... [ok] >> Starting xl0 ... [ok] > > This is something I've always found somewhat ironic, actually. I'm > not really sure overall whether I like it or not, but it IS very > structured and consistent. The irony is that I find the Linux kernel > bootup messages to be an insane mishmash that I can never sort > ANYTHING out of, relative to FreeBSD's very neat and structured kernel > probes. So maybe an OS is only allowed to be neat in one of the two > 8-} I think restructuring our userland boot message would be a good start. I'm not talking about the above proposal, even if I think it's nice (but a little bit too terse for me), I'm talking about rethinking the actual (since the new rc system) clutter. The 4.x startup looks structured (it could be improved to be more eye friendly, but the beauty lies in the eye of the beholder), while the 5+ one is neither fish nor meat. It's a mixture of the 4.x one with the "Starting xyz" messages from the new system. Since we don't try to keep the new system diff friendly with the NetBSD source anymore, I think we could change it to fit our needs. Bye, Alexander. -- http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 Big book, big bore. -- Callimachus