From owner-freebsd-arch Mon Jul 15 17:34:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3BE37B400 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w250.z064001178.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net (adsl-66.218.45.239.dslextreme.com [66.218.45.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C335543E5E for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:34:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jos@catnook.com) Received: (qmail 33889 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Jul 2002 00:34:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:34:34 -0700 From: Jos Backus To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Package system flaws? Message-ID: <20020716003456.GD54500@lizzy.catnook.com> Reply-To: jos@catnook.com Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org References: <20020712121427.GD3678@lummux.tchpc.tcd.ie> <20020712144854.GA756@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <20020713054141.A26277@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20020713011750.GA755@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <20020714042237.GD931@lizzy.catnook.com> <20020714042623.GB95460@squall.waterspout.com> <20020714095939.GA588@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> <200207141333.g6EDXj0L031673@whizzo.transsys.com> <20020714164304.GA32774@lizzy.catnook.com> <20020715214445.C53266@regency.nsu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020715214445.C53266@regency.nsu.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 09:44:45PM +0700, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > We did have a very powerful one until recently -- Perl. I guess the > fact it was removed from the base is for a very good reason. I don't think ``we don't want a powerful scripting language in the base system'' was one of them. > Oh please, can you show us something essential for base enough that > could not be implemented in a sh/sed/awk way? I somewhat doubt it. portupgrade :-) (Sure, anything that can be done in Ruby can be done in C; no need to make that argument again). > 'cmon, it's pretty clear that Perl or Ruby is more of an overhead than of > worth. Traditionally, UNIX lived for 30+ years without need for a monster > like Perl or Ruby, in the base, clearly showing us that sh/awk/sed is a > [very] decent scripting facility. As must be clear by now, I respectfully beg to differ. -- Jos Backus _/ _/_/_/ Santa Clara, CA _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ jos@catnook.com _/_/ _/_/_/ require 'std/disclaimer' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message