From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 20:36:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F66316A4DA for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:36:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC2F43D45 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:36:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.rollin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so301379wri for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:36:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bzzK+atLItuSAnxl3UB6yagFf4UWjU36TF/I3cGtoWG7hozGFydVJ+xzrrgtnqm5c6319+aPcfGX6V87IGGI6nznehajmBMDY0FmMzYtvRD8umulTH7/+PFguCvBnIxXihfSast/FSl3uQ9QQhyLf9SKy6mv+6l9pfI8tQXrGXU= Received: by 10.90.71.12 with SMTP id t12mr323191aga; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.98.12 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0028260608311334x76c44e02u1d9dde1b1c1e5012@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:34:21 +0100 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: "Andy Ruhl" In-Reply-To: <78a2305a0608311316pf9bdffdy9557847ed3483d9b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060830232723.GU10101@multics.mit.edu> <950621ad0608310654h78ae0023g346abd108815ae72@mail.gmail.com> <20060831110112.J82634@hub.org> <78a2305a0608310830l923f83pbd03b2c89d417505@mail.gmail.com> <44F703C0.30604@softjar.se> <20060831192614.GA10101@multics.mit.edu> <78a2305a0608311316pf9bdffdy9557847ed3483d9b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: misc@openbsd.org, "Charles M. Hannum" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, Johnny Billquist , miros-discuss@mirbsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:36:12 -0000 On 31/08/06, Andy Ruhl wrote: > > On 8/31/06, Charles M. Hannum wrote: > > Actually, defining (poorly) the OS to include so much else has been a > > liability for NetBSD in many ways. It has massively slowed the adoption > > of new software versions (e.g. GCC), for one. It also contributed to > > the perception that a better package system and automatic updates were > > not a serious issue. > > It would be interesting to hear more discussion on this. > > If there is a continuum that is what the definition of an OS is, with > a bare kernel on the left and something like SuSE with multiple gigs > of junk on the right, NetBSD is toward the left. I think consensus is > among NetBSD people is that this is a good thing. If you want > something, put it in pkgsrc. To be fair, it's easy to remove 'junk' from SuSE, and not much harder to pile junk into a working Gentoo, Slackware or NetBSD installation. Ironically one complaint that's often voiced at SuSE is that its selection of rpm junk isn't as extensive as other distros'. Jeff.