From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 28 23:26:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123A7DB; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:26:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.in-addr.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:8:162::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6A0427D8; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gjp by mail.in-addr.com with local (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1VawCR-0004eb-8C; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:26:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:26:19 -0400 From: Gary Palmer To: Tom Samplonius Subject: Re: [heads up] axing AppleTalk and IPX/SPX Message-ID: <20131028232619.GD22767@in-addr.com> References: <20131028124221.GO52889@glebius.int.ru> <139F9446-64B8-4105-AEFB-4F90EDB44792@lassitu.de> <06F87683-2E6F-48A1-B99B-E9A00070D4C3@samplonius.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <06F87683-2E6F-48A1-B99B-E9A00070D4C3@samplonius.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: gpalmer@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.in-addr.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, Gleb Smirnoff , Stefan Bethke , current@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:26:26 -0000 On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:12:21PM -0700, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > On Oct 28, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Stefan Bethke wrote: > > > Am 28.10.2013 um 13:42 schrieb Gleb Smirnoff : > > > >> The plan is two axe two old networking protocols from FreeBSD head/, > >> meaning that FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE, available in couple of years would > >> be shipped without them. > >> > >> 1) AppleTalk > >> > >> Last time claimed to be supported by vendor in 2007[1]. In practice > >> had very little use since 90th. > >> Discontinued by major routing equipment vendors since 2009[2]. > > > > Since Apple has now even deprecated AFP (the file sharing protocol implemented by netatalk, among others), it?s time to let go. > > > > Do you have a reference for that? Various pundits have claimed that Apple is deprecating AFP because when you enable Personal File Sharing, that enables SMB now, not AFP, but so far I have not seen any official announcement from Apple either way. > Technically I don't know if AFP is deprecated, however SMB2 is the new default for file sharing. The most I've been able to find is: https://www.apple.com/media/us/osx/2013/docs/OSX_Mavericks_Core_Technology_Overview.pdf pages 21 and 22. AFP is described as being used "with older Mac computers", however Time Machine still very much relies on it so AFP won't be going away soon. Gary