From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 17 15:40:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28315 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:40:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28308 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03976; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:39:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Justin A Kolodziej <4wg7kolodzie@vmsb.csd.mu.edu> cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Emulated Quake2 a no-go In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:25:38 CST." <350F0672.6E0F2068@vms.csd.mu.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:39:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3973.890177987@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > Apparently the Linux emulation in FreeBSD isn't good enough quite > yet. > > > Trying to run Quake 2 gives the following: > > > > > > Mar 17 00:09:35 mcd7-31 /kernel: Linux-emul(211): setup() not > supported > > > And I *am* running as root, so that's not the problem. > The problem is that you posted to -current and if you had posted to > > -multimedia you will have received a response similar to : > > > > Download ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/README.GLQUAKE for instructions > > on how to get Quake 2 running on FreeBSD. > To this, my rebuttal is: > > This file is rather unhelpful. > > First of all, it tells me the following: > > "As of right now you should get the linux emulation layer from > ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/linux_ioctl-3.0-current.tar.gz" > > That's it. No information on how to install or where in the source > tree > it should go or anything like that. > > Second of all, some of the information contained in it is out of date. > GL Quake 2 and QL Quake no longer require svgalib to run. There is a > hack available that allows Mesa to control the i/o. You'll have to > mail > David Buccarelli at tech.hmw@plus.it to get the URL because I lost it > :( . In addition, Quake 2 is now version 3.14a, which may or may not > have the network problems fixed; the original worked fine from the > console but not from the menu. I'm not even sure that this relates to > the problem, because I believe it used to say "ioctl() not supported" > when I was trying the release version. Now it says "setup() not > supported", which is claimed to be a generic error message. > > Third, the date on this is February 11, and it says: "When we are done > wrapping up the support for Quake2 the changes will be roll back to 3.0 > -current." Well, it's been a month, and obviously this hasn't > happened. Do you mind my asking what the status on this project is and > when the estimated completion date is? > > And finally, I flat-out disagree that this is an issue for the > multimedia mailing list. First of all, this issue deals with the > imperfect emulation of a Linux function, so it belongs in emulation, > not > multimedia. Had the issue been that the 3dfx doesn't work, or sound > access causes a core dump, perhaps that would fit in with the > multimedia > list. Besides, I was under the impression that the multimedia list > referred to native FreeBSD apps that didn't work, not problems with > emulated apps. Second of all, the changes are (eventually, > supposedly) > to be added to the current version, as your little note says, so, yes, > this does belong on the current list. > > Had you just told me "we're working on that problem," or even "We don't > care about that particular problem, and if you have to run Quake 2, go > back to Linux," I wouldn't have a problem with that. But when you a. > avoid the question, b. point me to information that is not actually > relevant to my situation, and c. then try to get rid of me by pointing > me to the wrong group, that only confirms what I should have suspected > when I mistakenly sent my subscribe command to the list: If you're not > perfect AND you're not interested in writing code for the next version > of FreeBSD, you have no business getting a current snapshot, despite > the > fact that it's as freely available as the release version. Because > it's > freely available, that means it should be open to public scrutiny and > suggestions. The mailing list being able to be posted to by > non-subscribers further supports this view. Unfortunately, the > responses I have gotten from this list suggests otherwise. > > A few final suggestions before I unsubscribe from this list: Make this > list moderated so that you can decide whether a message is appropriate > or not. Or else be prepared to respond more cordially to those > messages > you consider "dumb questions," as it appears you felt all of mine were. > And second, mail me when Quake 2 works without any modifications to the > linux compatibility package and when the filesystem works properly > again > like it does in Sunday's snapshot. > > Sincerely, > > Justin A. Kolodziej > -- > I sense a great disturbance in the Source. > Justin A. Kolodziej > 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu > Marquette University is http://www.mu.edu > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message