From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 3 19: 9:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB8414E7B for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:09:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id TAA25187; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id TAA02226; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:07:16 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn3.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA17470; Mon, 3 May 99 19:07:13 PDT Message-Id: <372E5626.FB7F027@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:06:30 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some thoughts on advocacy (was: Slashdot ftp.cdrom.com upgra References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Since you insist on trying to get in the parting shot, I'll include the advocacy list on this right along with you. Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > Let me make a couple of things clear: > (a) I'm guilty of going on too long about the GPL, sorry about > that. > (b) My intention was not to discuss the merits of the GPL, > and certainly not to suggest that BSD switch to GPL. > Please re-read my first post if you don't believe this. I didn't respond to your first post, because I found nothing of note in it. I responded to your accusation that the members of the freebsd-advocacy mailing list hate the GPL because we don't understand it, a group attack that was both unwarranted and untrue. > I can't believe the sort of "advocacy" that goes on sometimes. I You seem to misunderstand the purpose of the advocacy list. This is not a place for "outsiders" to come get some advocacy, it is a place for those who advocate FreeBSD to discuss what is going on in the world, and to formulate replies. The replies that are generated are then posted in other forums, such as Daemon News, FreeBSD 'zine, the FreeBSD web pages, etc. > fully appreciate someone's comment that you'll find extreme > opinions expressed on the list. The things is, you find the same > opinions expressed outside. At the same time you find extremely > reasonable and balanced articles like Jordan Hubbard's in > Freshmeat some time back. I originally started reading the > archives to find out what you chaps "really" think... If you think Jordan is the voice of reason here, you really need to go back and read the archives. ;^) The discussions you see here are the back-and-forth of a working group trying to reach a consensus. Without input from all sides of an argument, no reasonable consensus can be reached. There are several here, myself included, who often choose a side that has not been argued for and argue that point just to be sure the topic gets completely covered. I've seen Terry Lambert and Sue Blake do this as well. Again, I'd like to impress upon you that from your limited reading of this list, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND the dynamics of it. And if you think this little discussion about the GPL was heated, you certainly aren't tough enough to play in this ballpark. This was MILD compared to some of the flame-a-thons kicked off in the past. Those who hold their convictions so lightly... > As I said, I do my bit to encourage use of FreeBSD, but I can't > go on an anti-GPL binge while doing so. That's why I raised the I agree with you on every point above. I dislike the GPL quite a bit more than you do, but it is a fact of life, and railing against it does nothing to promote FreeBSD as a system or as a community. > issue. I realize now that logic is not what is involved here. Now you have to go and ruin a nice little message with yet another ad-hominem attack like that. If you're going to be able to effectively advocate anything, you've just got to get over that habit. When asked to compare the GPL and Berkeley-style licenses, I (and most FreeBSD users) will fall squarely on the side of the Berkeley license. That is tangential to FreeBSD the system, but very near and dear to "FreeBSD the Community." The choices made are perfectly logical; logic is exactly what is involved. Your snotty little remarks certainly don't help your argument, even when you're not trying to make one! > Issue closed, from my side at least. Agreed, I'll stop railing at you if you'll stop calling me names. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message