From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 26 08:20:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3D616A51D for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 08:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from MH@kernel32.de) Received: from crivens.terrorteam.de (crivens.terrorteam.de [81.169.171.191]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B84243D62 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 08:20:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MH@kernel32.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crivens.terrorteam.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061AD3FE7; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:20:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixoid.de Received: from crivens.terrorteam.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (crivens.unixoid.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oz7oJPUvI8Sh; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:19:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.38.0.12] (unknown [213.238.63.253]) by crivens.terrorteam.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662E53F39; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:19:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4476BA30.2090607@kernel32.de> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:20:00 +0200 From: Marian Hettwer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn References: <20060523120100.37D2B16A54F@hub.freebsd.org> <20060523083944.H96736@eboyr.pbz> <20060523160051.GA78620@kierun.org> <44741A43.40302@kernel32.de> <20060524144537.46463a90@hydrocodone.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, Allen Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:20:12 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 2:45 PM -0400 5/24/06, Allen wrote: >> Did you just tell him to get another computer for each arch >> to have as a build machine??? >> >> Being a broke college student I don't think that's something >> I'd ever do to install updates on my boxes. I can't afford >> another computer just to build updates when every other OS >> I use does updates in another way.... > > > If you are a college student with a few machines that > you work with, then you can afford some downtime. > > Note that the person was talking about the problems of > doing source updates on TEN machines. If you own ten > machines, and if all of those ten machines must have zero > downtime and rock-solid reliability, then you really > have to find the money for an eleventh machine. That is ACK. That's what I was talking about :) At work we have roughly 900 Debian Linux servers, and frankly, the way of upgrading those boxes is pretty easy (apt-get update, apt-get upgrade). However, we still have build machines for custom packages and of course test machines to test updates... The point then is, of course, sometimes a buildworld is overkill and it would be great to have an easier way of upgrading, but still you need the "eleventh" machine for testing / reducing downtime / whatever. > > "Pity the poor college student, with their personally- > owned data center of 50 machines split across five > different architectures." Uh, no. I won't. Anyone > who can afford that much hardware has more money than > I do! > "me too" ;-) ./Marian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEdrougAq87Uq5FMsRAt1/AKDh1K5v4UqHnFcMyevFGHOTvvgHEgCcDA8q Mv6Y44brsN/v9Zrj57uIIBg= =iYr9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----