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Date:      Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:14:39 +0100
From:      John Marino <freebsd.contact@marino.st>
To:        Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org>, marino@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>
Cc:        NGie Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>, Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-current Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-testing@freebsd.org" <testing@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Need help fixing failing locale tests
Message-ID:  <5648853F.2050901@marino.st>
In-Reply-To: <5648842E.3050203@freebsd.org>
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On 11/15/2015 2:10 PM, Andrey Chernov wrote:
>> Well, there is "harm".  The -1/-15 confusion happens a lot.
> 
> It is user confusion and his responsibility. It not leads to wrong
> program build f.e. Moreover, you can't protect users who set 8859-1 that
> way, they do not convert to 8859-15 as you assume but start to complain
> everywhere that FreeBSD is not working instead.

Invalid.  "locale -a" shows what locales are available.
The confusion is not with one user.  It's with one user that produces
document in one encoding and a second user that choses the wrong one
(usually -1).  -15 was designed to replace -1.

OpenBSD removed ISO8859* completely.


> 
>> Is the plan to keep every locale ever created for ever and ever?  Never
>> do any kind of kind of cleanup or reorg?
> 
> It will be nice to do it that way. FreeBSD have a little part of world
> locales, which indirectly assumes that they are really used.

Also invalid.  Locales are not standardized with regard to encoding, so
maintaining a museum of locales is specific to FreeBSD.  Linux calls
them differently.

John



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