From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 13:59:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA6310AB5B1; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:59:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41ACC97B84; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:59:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109031483F; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w94DxmIW089561 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:59:48 GMT (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w94Dxlto089560; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:59:47 GMT (envelope-from phk) To: Warner Losh cc: Alexey Dokuchaev , freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Net , Brooks Davis , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers In-reply-to: From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> <20181004084411.GA50348@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <89558.1538661587.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:59:47 +0000 Message-ID: <89559.1538661587@critter.freebsd.dk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:59:51 -0000 -------- In message , Warner Losh writes: >Most of these drivers have had dozens or hundreds of commits each over th= e >years to keep up with the API changes. This acts as a tax on innovation >because it's such a pain in the back side to change all the drivers in th= e >tree. As one who has been there, a couple of times: SECONDED! It is particular unpleasant when you have no way to test the changes. -- = Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe = Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence= .