From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 23:26:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6D737B401; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB9643FDF; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from viktorlazlo@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([207.6.229.118]) by priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.netESMTP <20030417062624.SHPJ15875.priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.100]>; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:26:24 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:26:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Viktor Lazlo X-X-Sender: viktorlazlo@a3ij25fvy80j.bc.hsia.telus.net To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <20030416225100.A12786@znfgre.tberna.bet> Message-ID: <20030416231711.F36781-100000@a3ij25fvy80j.bc.hsia.telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Luciano Evaristo Guerche cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: Bill Moran cc: CARTER Anthony Subject: Re: FreeBSD logo... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 06:26:26 -0000 On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Doug Barton wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Doug Barton wrote: > > > Your understanding of christian theology is very, very wrong. God and > > > Satan are not equals in the Bible, Satan is a created being who turned > > > away from obedience to God and therefore is damned for all eternity. > > > > Actually in Job, Satan's more like God's "Attorney General". > > That's an interesting way to phrase that. I picked the word "Satan" > particularly as opposed to "Devil" to try and move away from the demon > issue. The origin of the word we usually pronounce SAY-tin in english is > the hebrew word usually pronounced sah-TAHN, which is generally defined as > "accuser." Jews don't believe in a "devil" the same way most christians > do, but they also don't believe in Satan as an equal to God. In fact, the > early christians pretty much adopted the jewish idea of sah-tahn as a > created, and fallen being; and embellished it a bit. > Actually it's devil < Latin diabolus < Greek diabolos that means accuser, from Greek dia "across/through" and ballein "to throw". Hebrew satan (with two long a's) means "the enemy, adversary" from the verbal root satan (with only the first a long) meaning "to oppose, plot against, persecute" Cheers, Viktor