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Date:      Thu, 23 May 2013 22:26:31 -0700
From:      Josh Paetzel <jpaetzel@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Jeremy Chadwick <jdc@koitsu.org>
Cc:        YongHyeon PYUN <pyunyh@gmail.com>, Glen Barber <gjb@FreeBSD.org>, "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Release Engineering Team <re@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Apparent fxp regression in FreeBSD 8.4-RC3
Message-ID:  <2690F8C5-62DF-4F0F-9F40-759CA870CF88@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <20130524051139.GA41712@icarus.home.lan>
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At this point fxp hardware is over a decade old. I'm loath to introduce dela=
ys at the end of the runway for this issue.=20

Keep in mind that delays to 8.4 are pushed directly on to delays for 9.2, wh=
ich won't be started until 8.4 is completed, and is desperately needed. (9.1=
 doesn't have drivers for common shipping hardware for example). Factors lik=
e these as well as the age of fxp hardware drive my decision to complete 8.4=
 and push this fix in to EN territory.=20

Thanks,

Josh Paetzel
FreeBSD - The Power to Serve

On May 23, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Jeremy Chadwick <jdc@koitsu.org> wrote:

> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:56:20AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote:
>> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 09:40:35PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> So if someone wants to take a stab at this, they'll need to do so and
>>> make me an ISO.  Sorry that I can't make things easier.  :-(
>>>=20
>>> This definitely needs to get fixed before 8.4-RELEASE.
>>=20
>> *sigh*....
>>=20
>> At this point, it is highly unlikely this will be fixed before
>> 8.4-RELEASE.  We are _far_ too deep into the release cycle.  In fact, we
>> are effectively done with the release, and waiting on release notes to
>> be completed.
>>=20
>> I think this will likely be included in errata notes for the release.
>=20
> I urge you to meet with others in Release Engineering and discuss this
> fully.  This is major enough that, once fixed, it warrants an immediate
> binary update (to the kernel + if_fxp.ko) pushed out via freebsd-update.
>=20
> fxp(4) is a commonly-used driver; it isn't something rare/uncommon.
>=20
> Also remember at this stage we don't know if it's a specific PHY model
> or specific NIC model (or series) which triggers it.  For all we know it
> could affect everything that fxp(4) drives.
>=20
> Please don't forget that FreeBSD has a very well-established history of
> having rock-solid Intel NIC support.  Sure, mistakes happen, we're
> human, bugs get introduced, but this does not bode well -- meaning I
> would expect Slashdot et al to pick up on this.
>=20
>> It is very unfortunate that this waited so long to be reported, as much
>> time has passed since 8.4-BETA1...
>=20
> This is what happens when people socially proliferate the belief that
> "RELEASE is rock solid/stable, don't run stable/X" -- the number of
> people who test what changes between RELEASE builds is vastly smaller
> comparatively.  I've only been saying this for the past 15 years, so
> it's even more unfortunate that people keep believing it.  :/
>=20
> --=20
> | Jeremy Chadwick                                   jdc@koitsu.org |
> | UNIX Systems Administrator                http://jdc.koitsu.org/ |
> | Mountain View, CA, US                                            |
> | Making life hard for others since 1977.             PGP 4BD6C0CB |



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