From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 18 21:51:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6878537BC7B for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:51:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 42097 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2000 04:51:39 -0000 Received: from sys3.physics.iisc.ernet.in (144.16.71.27) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 19 Jul 2000 04:51:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 32474 invoked by uid 211); 19 Jul 2000 04:51:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:21:37 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: j mckitrick Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Color ls Message-ID: <20000719102137.A32398@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mail-Followup-To: j mckitrick , Kris Kennaway , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000719041804.A52522@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000719044049.A52681@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000719044049.A52681@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 04:40:49AM +0100 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.0.31 i486 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org j mckitrick said on Jul 19, 2000 at 04:40:49: > That's my point. When friends of mine who have been sysadmin's for years > complain about how plain-vanilla and generic the basic FreeBSD install is, > and how much work it is to get it dialed in and 'friendly', i really don't > know what to tell them. I don't believe they're experienced Unix sysadmins. I'm not, my first sysadmining exposure was on linux perhaps three years ago, but I still found freebsd's install a breeze. > if i had trouble getting color to work on cons25 or even an xterm, i > wouldn't be especially optimistic about something advanced, like playing > mpegs, or even sound. I spent 2 months getting sound and my zip drive to I'd never done sound on FreeBSD before (the machine I used before doesn't have a sound card). I helped a friend to install it recently, and just read some basic docs on the FreeBSD web page and turned on a couple of kernel options, and this guy was stunned at the way it autodetected his PCI sound card on the next bootup. He was even more impressed that it found his ethernet card (I forget which one) which even Red Hat 6.2 could not. Granted, not all sound/ethernet cards are so easy, but they aren't on linux either. But speaking of cons25: it's one of my pet peeves, because it's incompatible with vt100. What happens is, we have an environment with this, linux and commercial unix living together, and when you telnet/ssh from one machine to another you get a message like "unknown terminal type {dtterm/linux/cons25}". The quick workaround there is to set term=vt100 in your login file, which works on all the machines -- except the FreeBSD console. (Yes I know about copying termcap entries, but it looked like too much trouble since people run X most of the time anyway. No problem in an xterm. Also I know about pcvt but couldn't get it to work properly with X for some reason.) > To sum it all up, i get frustrated when 'progress' is alluded to as being a > crutch for 'lusers'. Computers are a tool to make life easier. Why the > hell does liking colors (which help the brain organize information better) > warrant being labeled as a luser? I agree. I'm not fond of color-ls, but if people want it, why not; and I found syntax-highlighting in vim to be a *huge* help. The way people tend to flame vim on this list, because of its alleged bloat and incompatibility with "traditional" vi (when in fact it's more compatible than nvi, which freebsd uses) is not funny. Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message