From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 17 15:48:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00657 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:48:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00632 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:48:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04023; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:48:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Justin A Kolodziej <4wg7kolodzie@vmsb.csd.mu.edu> cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Emulated Quake2 a no-go In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:25:38 CST." <350F0672.6E0F2068@vms.csd.mu.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:48:06 -0800 Message-ID: <4019.890178486@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [sorry for my null first reply - slip of the fingers] > back to Linux," I wouldn't have a problem with that. But when you a. > avoid the question, b. point me to information that is not actually > relevant to my situation, and c. then try to get rid of me by pointing > me to the wrong group, that only confirms what I should have suspected > when I mistakenly sent my subscribe command to the list: If you're not > perfect AND you're not interested in writing code for the next version > of FreeBSD, you have no business getting a current snapshot, despite > the > fact that it's as freely available as the release version. Because First off, let me just point out a couple of things: 1. The very fact that list subscribership IS open will lead to you getting a very wide range of replies to your queries. Some people will call you an idiot, others will attempt to help you and still others will give you blatant misinformation in response to your queries. Them's the breaks! You either get a tightly controlled list where only the carefully screened can post to it, thus ensuring high quality replies (and not, incidently, the ability for you to post your question in the first place) or you have an open list where pretty much anybody can get on a soap box and speak his mind. Since this is an open list, you either have to be able to cope with the side-effects of its being open or you should indeed unsubscribe. 2. People *should* only run -current if their level of technical skill is better than average. This is stated in the handbook and -current itself, at least in the form of snapshots and the various instructions which describe cvsuping to it, and it's very much the case that there are many people who should NOT be running -current but do anyway, generally forcing others on this list to make up for their shortcomings by posting lots of questions that anyone with a better-than-average level of skill would not. That, quite frankly, sucks and of course there's going to be a set of people constantly saying "don't run -current, dammit!" since abuse in this department runs rather high. People routinely push buttons labelled "danger, high voltage! DO NOT PUSH!" too, and coping with the stupid, curious monkeys that humans often are can get to be a real drag sometimes - I wouldn't blame the people who have the job of scraping such people off the wall too much for being both cynical and embittered at human stupidity. It comes with the job. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message