From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 10 16:03:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF9916A41F for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:03:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gayn.winters@bristolsystems.com) Received: from bristolsystems.com (h-68-167-239-98.lsanca54.covad.net [68.167.239.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C21A43D48 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:03:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gayn.winters@bristolsystems.com) Received: from workdog ([192.168.1.201]) by bristolsystems.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAAG3cn24051; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:03:38 -0800 From: "Gayn Winters" To: "'Ted Mittelstaedt'" , Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:03:28 -0800 Message-ID: <02f301c5e610$4d3a51a0$c901a8c0@workdog> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: RE: Status of 6.0 for production systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gayn.winters@bristolsystems.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:03:40 -0000 > There are some things broken in 5.4 that are still broken in 6.0 > with regards to support of older hardware. In particular the ida > driver is a mess - EISA support in that was busted years ago, > then 5.X busted support for more 'modern' systems like the > Compaq 1600R HP "DL" series of systems are kind of a moving > target anyway, unfortunately. For those sytems I still use 4.11 > (in fact I just setup 2 new 4.11 production systems two days ago) > > However, 6.0 is a requirement for currently shipping hardware, in > particular the Intel series of boxed "server" motherboards, if you > want to use raid and sata drives, since Intel seems to like to change > it's motherboard chipsets as fast as most people change their > underpants. > I'm actually building a 6.0 production server today. (5.4 and earlier > will not recognize the disk array) > > It would be nice if we could get more support for SATA raid in > the atacontrol program. > > Ted On the plus side, I've thrown a lot of hardware at FreeBSD with great success. On the other hand, FreeBSD's primary weakness seems to be the support of newer hardware. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to hear of problems with older hardware as well, and Ted's solution of pairing older hardware with an older release seems reasonable if in fact one has the experience to support the older release. (I don't, since I jumped to FreeBSD at release 5.1.) I recall sos@ complaining (well, at least "mentioning") that his work on ata was hampered by a lack of hardware. I'm sure other developers that support drivers have the same problem. I've been wondering what could be done about this - at least for 6.0++. I assume we don't have enough volume to interest many hardware manufacturers into developing FreeBSD drivers for their hardware. BUT, do our driver developers get early access to specs and (if it would help) source code to other drivers? What would that take? Do we have relationships with hardware manufactures to get samples and prototypes for our driver developers? Or, do we simply have to wait and buy retail versions of the hardware? -gayn Bristol Systems Inc. 714/532-6776 www.bristolsystems.com