From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 00:19:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB87106566B; Wed, 5 Oct 2011 00:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lacombar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE888FC15; Wed, 5 Oct 2011 00:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe3 with SMTP id 3so1593407wwe.31 for ; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:19:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GJrLyfiIxVBLM8vW3Mvn2K/s7B1A0yf21bA8RR1rD9M=; b=Bk8SyAvvPPIDqc286OmXIW0ZfvBq8GH+Wh+D8wArYLLXOjT8kBSsKbzTLV+PjJw0pz Y8/RmupBsqPkptnIA1tadVlf1OeiWJzDlnn8mWvhSVUHdHP7o3GdHozDgWk0zY9DlfgG 3v1ENCSuB7xMgtTMWlDpasZS/UhLvnKDz4btI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.170.204 with SMTP id p54mr5697741wel.51.1317773986225; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.103.33 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 17:19:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1317260554.93406.33.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <1317754080.15870.0.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <4E8B6382.1060001@buffalo.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:19:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: Arnaud Lacombe To: Vlad Galu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Andrey Fesenko , Joshua Boyd , freebsd-stable , Ken Smith , freebsd-current Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0-BETA3 Available... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 00:19:48 -0000 Hi, On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Vlad Galu wrote: > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrot= e: >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Joshua Boyd wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wro= te: >>>> >>>> Had you loved so much to have this information, you would have given >>>> me credential. >>>> >>>> I may have filled in all the date from publicly available material, >>>> might it be from mailing list, or from FTP server's timestamp, or SVN >>>> revision date. If I had not been able to determine a date, I may just >>>> have left it blank and asked for details, eventually. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, we will never know. >>> >>> It's nice that you want to help, but could you be less of a jerk about = it to >>> the people who devote a huge amount of time to the project? >>> >> Which ones: >> =A0- those who do not upgrade release information in release cycle ? >> =A0- those who commit broken stuff ? >> =A0- those who knowingly misdocument interfaces ? >> =A0- those who ignore obvious fixes ? >> =A0- those who ignore users request ? >> =A0- those who ignore users bugs ? >> =A0- those who refuses to share their work-in-progress ? >> =A0- those who tell you you're wrong for months to finally acknowledge >> you are right, and commit your fixes ? > > Arnaud, everybody is doing their best. If members or groups within the > FreeBSD project are under contractual obligation to meet your > expectations, please feel free to take this off-list. Otherwise, if > you feel there are similar projects with better management, perhaps > they're better suited for you. > Maybe phk@ is not so wrong when he advocates for liability laws for software makers. However, starting the liability clauses list with a loophole (clause 1) sounds like a fraud, especially for a software contractor[0]. After all, even people selling raw materials can be liable if the material sold did not behave as it should have and caused damages. Though, ending up speaking about contractual work and liability when someone originally did not want to relinquish write access to a wiki is rather sad... - Arnaud