From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Apr 5 5:29:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E4637B443 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:29:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6C3A066D81; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:29:16 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SSHD Problems... Message-ID: <20010405052916.A74800@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010404044643.A60142@xor.obsecurity.org> <000701c0bd93$f3a6a200$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000701c0bd93$f3a6a200$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>; from tedm@toybox.placo.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:47:51PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:47:51PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > I think you missed entirely the point of my rant. Obviously > you come from the school that believes that you make something > better by attaching more crap to it. This is a shame because Yes. Uh. Obviously. Right. > The security people don't come from this philosophy. They > come from the philosophy that the more difficult it is to > get into something, the more secure it is. Since they feel that > the more secure that something is, the _better_ it is, their > idea of the ultimately good UNIX operating system is one that > will take you the rest of your life and a doctorate in mathematics > to figure out how to get into. They are already well on the way to > making OpenBSD into a BSD UNIX that is impossible for ordinary > people to use, and FreeBSD is next on the list. I tried to figure this out for a few minutes, then gave up. It's no harder than it ever was to get into a FreeBSD system, so I'm concluding you've just fabricated this argument from thin air to try and support your intended position. > Don't you see a disconnection from reality here? I know I do. No, I see someone who is bitter that they were outwitted by a text file which tells them the step by step procedures for upgrading, and had this person followed the simple directions contained therein, they would have never had a reason to invent things to bitch and moan about. You screwed up your FreeBSD upgrade. Admit it, and move on with your life. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message