From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Nov 25 11:54:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFD2DDFA48; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "land.berklix.org", Issuer "land.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB48E7EAC5; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FA9D37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.250.157.55]) (authenticated bits=0) by land.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id vAPBrp02029447 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:53:55 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id vAPBspvl072671; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 12:54:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id vAPBsXMX085057; Sat, 25 Nov 2017 12:54:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201711251154.vAPBsXMX085057@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Adrian Chadd cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.eu BSD Unix Linux Consultants, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.eu/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.eu/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:19:40 -0800." Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 12:54:33 +0100 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:54:59 -0000 Adrian Chadd wrote: (top posting corrected here) > On 24 November 2017 at 08:47, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > fortune(6) is listed in ring bound 4.3BSD System Index. > > Butchering on personal whim without prior agreement seems abuse. > > BSD should be [temporarily] reverted & the commit bit suspended, > > pending commiters' peer review of an un-authorised deletion. > > Then decide what what to do with fortune. > hi, > Pardon me, but it's 2017 and the 4.3BSD system index isn't an immutable bible. > As a general push to packaging things in general, turning fortune into > a package seems like some low hanging fruit. > -adrian I avoided expressing opinion on where fortune might best be, to avoid distraction from the point: Commit bits are a privilege. Contentious commits forced through before discussion, should by policy be automaticaly reverted, & committers bit suspended, pending committer peer review - Not with reference to the desirability or otherwise of a commit, but for imposing on FreeBSD without prior discussion. Commiter conduct reviews should be seperate from discussion of desirability of a contentious commit. Cheers, Julian -- Julian H. Stacey, Computer Consultant, BSD Linux Unix Systems Engineer, Munich Reply below, Prefix '> '. Plain text, No .doc, base64, HTML, quoted-printable. http://berklix.eu/brexit/ UK stole 3,500,000 votes; 700,000 from Brits in EU.