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Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49BPKv4ldcz3JQX X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=langille.org header.s=fm1 header.b=V3U1+kbZ; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=MOrKUTPi; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=langille.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dan@langille.org designates 66.111.4.26 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dan@langille.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.58 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[langille.org:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[26.4.111.66.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.18]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.26]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(-3.49)[ip: (-9.82), ipnet: 66.111.4.0/24(-4.89), asn: 11403(-2.69), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[langille.org:+,messagingengine.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[langille.org,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[26.4.111.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_WWW(0.50)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 14:34:30 -0000 On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Dan Langille wrote: > > On Apr 24, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > >> With mail/mailman being Python 2.7 (which is end-of-life), and mailman 3 being Python 3 compatible: > >> > >> Do you know of any plans to port Mailman 3? > > > > There's already a PR about that: > > > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225543 > > Now 2 years old I see. Good start. > > > The patch itself is fine, but we need run-tests. > > > > This means: If you want to help, > > - use that patch, > > - build mailman3, > > - and install it somewhere and > > - test all the use-cases that you can think of > > - then write some docs on how to move an existing mailman2 site > > to mailman3 > > I'm guessing that's over and above what I found at: > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html > > > > - and give ideas how to handle list archives > > *especially* keeping the URLs identical (!) > > I think the existing archives are static HTML. I have some archives dating > back to 1999: https://www.unixathome.org/adsl/ > > There might be some server-side rewrites or aliases to ensure that this > URL always works, before and after mailman3: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2020-April/118352.html > > Let's compare 2 and 3 lists: > > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/ > > > They are distinct (ignoring the hostname differences) so keeping the > old alongside the new should be safe. > > > And, speaking as one of the postmaster@ team: > > As lists.freebsd.org uses mailman2, we need this! > > > > postmaster@ has not yet decided if we really want to move to mailman3, > > so we are open to other options. The mail archive is the biggest hurdle 8-( > > Yes, we can't lose those. I have my own archives to support. I see the mailman lists themselves are now on Mailman 3: https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-announce@python.org/thread/HHQN7V6NY7G5CTOSC3WBU7VXW5KEBGVO/ -- Dan Langille dan@langille.org