From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 16 14:23:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3C716A4B3 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao07.cox.net (lakemtao07.cox.net [68.1.17.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454BF43FDD for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com) Received: from fortytwo ([68.109.49.234]) by lakemtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20030916212312.ONET15705.lakemtao07.cox.net@fortytwo>; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:23:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:22:12 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: "Devon H. O'Dell" Message-Id: <20030916162212.2df48e1a.kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com> In-Reply-To: <3F677547.4090007@sitetronics.com> References: <004101c37b26$de886400$020aa8c0@aims.private> <200309142333.48902.michael@gargantuan.com> <3F6575AE.3040805@401.cx> <20030915115853.4836bd86.kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com> <3F66C262.2050108@401.cx> <20030916151103.699b7e95.kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com> <3F677547.4090007@sitetronics.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: michael@gargantuan.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD Revamped Look 'n' feel: Feedback appreciated! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:23:15 -0000 On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:40:39 +0200 "Devon H. O'Dell" wrote: > > >What is so bloody horrible about the FreeBSD site? It is much more > >proffesional than redhat's site. The two side parts are great. The only thing > >that could stand to be redone is the center section. It providing a bit more > >info and ect could be nice. > > > >Yes we do have a different way of judging things. I regard proffesional as > >lacking glib or having little glib. Looks are entirely pointless. Info > >are the only things that matter. The ability to effectively convey that > >information is being proffesional, not throwing in a bunch of glib and > >confusacating the entire issue. > > > >There are many ways of laying stuff out. The template redhat borrows is just > >one, But in the case of redhat it is just horrible implemented. I have > >personally yet to see how layout choices factors into proffessionalism. As > >long as it provides the info and ect and little or no glib, then it is cool > >and proffessional. > > > > > > > What in God's name does glib have to do with websites or > professionalism? What in God's name is "confusacating"? Do you know what > glib is? Ack! glib besides being a library, is also word meaning lacking of depth of substance. > > > >Glib came into this when you mentioned redhat's site. It is glib and only > >glib. With very little of any actual value. The navigation is badly laid out. > > > > > glib is a C library containing several routines to make things like > string handling much easier. It has nothing to do with web sites, > design, or layouts (or professionalism). Many 'professional' > applications utilize glib. End of glib discussion, mmmkay? See above. > >I am glad not every one is like me, that would be boring. The numbers don't > >matter, in this case. A large chunk of them lack the ability for rational > >thought. Thus they relly on others to make their choices for them. That is > >what marketing execs are for. To help them make decisions to buy inferior > >products. One should not let themselves be manipulated by the majority just > >because they think they are right. For the most part right and wrong are just > >a illusion. Let others live in peace when they let one live in peace, but > >when they don't, one should take action and put it to a end. > > Here, I have a better idea. Why don't the people that want to make a > 'more professional' site (which I interpret as meaning one aimed at > corporations and enterprises and such) make that and why don't you stay > out of it? You seem to be throwing a lot of flames and 'confuscating' > (heh) a lot of things. Like glib and web design/development. I > personally don't appreciate seeing this kind of stuff, even when it's > not directed towards me. I never said they should not go and create a site seperate from freebsd.org that does not appeal MBA/management/zombies/whatever... > I do agree that FreeBSD could benefit from a more 'enterprise-targeted' > site (although, as I said earlier, Sun's website is > 'enterprise-targeted' and is also quite simple). It doesn't have to be > really busy or even something totally different. All the same, a site > targeted at corporations is not a bad idea. Somebody just has to take > initiative to: I agree FreeBSD would benefit from more large bussiness using it. If you would bother checking some of my earlier posts, you will see I have never come out against that ideas of creating site that appeals to those that refuse to judge things be specs and the likes. I just came out against taking a glibish approach to freebsd.org.