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To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 24D8188DAF X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=hpbJNXSl; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.71 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.932,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.77)[ip: (-8.27), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.11), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:07:35 -0000 Forgot to give my use case for the machine (top posting since it is not completely in line with any of the other comments in the message: 1. I am mostly a freelance webapp developer (tomcat9/jdk8 plus some libraries I have written then will when more mature released to the ports collection) 2. I play some html5 based games (not graphic intensive but slightly bandwidth hungry) 3. I have developed a micro-IaaS based around bhyve (see interview in Jan. 2017 BSD mag for details) [the main reason why the machine I am replacing as my desktop is my desktop is even after working with the bhyve team found it was impossible to enable virtualization even when the BIOS said it was enabled] 4. I use it as a replacement for my TV/cable (download/stream shows) 5. General small business/office use On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:26 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:01 PM Paul Pathiakis > wrote: > >> >> On Monday, July 22, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Robert Huff >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Aryeh Friedman writes: >> >> > > You need an uninterruptible power supply (UPS): >> > > >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply >> > >> > Already on my shopping list but half the problem is the machine is >> > a name HP and looking at the specs I have likely put more demand on >> > the power supply then I can supply if there any drop in voltage. >> >> I'd be interested to hear how you do this ... but assuming it's >> true your solution has two parts: >> >> 1) the UPS to deal with the "power hiccups". Before you buy, >> check ports/sysutils to see what models are covered by available >> software. >> 2) a more vigorous internal power supply. I have no idea if it's >> even possible to upgrade HP products short of having HP do it (and >> maybe not even then). >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> >> Robert Huff >> >> >> >> ## Adding to this.... >> >> If this is more than just a low end server, you may want to buy a UPS >> with a pure sine wave vs a simulated sine wave. They are a little more >> expensive, but tend to be better in controlling spikes/dirty power. >> >> As for a new desktop, if you're reasonably inclined, build your own. At >> this point in time, steer clear of Intel and look at AMD's products. Their >> new Ryzen 3000 series kicks butt and is about 50-75% of the cost. Go with >> an X570 motherboard (it has PCIe 4.0) and an AM4 socket. The compatibility >> with the AM4 socket looks to be good for about 3-4 years vs intel's "new >> cpu new socket -> new motherboard" mentality. Depending on your graphics >> needs either a separate card that can be upgraded or go with the new AMD >> Ryzen/Navi APUs with the graphics in the chip... (low end but good for word >> processing, etc NOT gaming - separate card if you game). With the new AM4 >> socket the APUs are an inexpensive alternative to buying separate graphics >> and CPU and when you go beyond the abilities on either just buy the latest >> APU. >> >> Typically, the new Ryzen chips also consume about 1/3 less power too. >> >> So, for about $500 you can buy a SERIOUS powered machine with an upgrade >> path versus being locked into a canned vendor like Dell or HP. >> > > Here is what I have in mind so far (note I *REFUSE* to buy mail > order/online so this is what is in my local MicroCenter): > > CPU (Ryzen 3600 $200.00 65 watts w/ fan): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966995+4294819840+4294810797+4294819827+4294818783+4294815097&myStore=true > > Motherboard (x570 AMD 4 ATX $170): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966996+4294810816+4294818900+4294818892+4294810798+4294817766+4294818045+4294818894+4294810687+4294815404+4294818877+4294815402+39&myStore=true > > Power supply (850 watt $130 ATX): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966654+4294818900+795+4294817377+780+4294817027&myStore=true > > Case (minitower ATX $75): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294964318+4294821211+4294821002+4294811319+749+4294821195+4294821206+4294821207&myStore=true > > RAM (16 GB DDR4-3200 $70): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966965+4294817445+4294820310+37&myStore=true > > Reuse keyboard/mouse/video card/monitor > > Total: $645 > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org