From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 29 21:48:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27DA16A41F for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:48:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E8E43D48 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:48:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFBE5F6B; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16856-08; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-79-217.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.79.217]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEB25D33; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <431382BC.9090406@mac.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:48:44 -0400 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050801 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. T. Farmer" References: <20050829120415.GA1462@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> <200508291836.j7TIaVEk013147@gw.catspoiler.org> <20050829185933.GB1462@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> <431362ED.9030800@mac.com> <20050829204714.GC1462@drjekyll.mkbuelow.net> <43137AFB.9060304@mac.com> <43137CDC.6050604@goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <43137CDC.6050604@goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Matthias Buelow Subject: Re: Sysinstall automatic filesystem size generation. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:48:30 -0000 J. T. Farmer wrote: > Chuck Swiger wrote: >> Matthias Buelow wrote: >>> Yes, indeed, and I don't want to reopen that issue since that would >>> lead to no new insights (and since I don't have the time atm. to >>> contribute anything I couldn't provide any stuff myself). >> >> Yet you seem willing to spend time discussing the matter...? > > Matthias went on to say in a very simple manner by he thought > a quick note was warranted. You don't agree. I think this matter is documented now. I think it could be documented elsewhere or in more detail if someone wanted to do so, but that involves someone pointing to a specific manpage or section of the handbook, and submitting language. The people on freebsd-doc can help, deal with mdoc or Docbook formatting, etc. > Why don't the two of you talk about it in private email? I am willing to end the discussion if there is nothing productive to say. > Matthias is right. Matthias is right about what? My goodness, you also are aware of people talking about softupdates in comparison to journalled filesystems often? > It's been hashed out on the lists multiple times and > neither side is willing to change. I've suggested a change to the sysctl's governing the syncer's timing, which ought to have a noticable impact on the issues Matthias has brought up. Feedback is welcome. (I generally am happy to look into changes and see if they are improvements.) > At this point, it's become a "Did to! Did not! Did to...." argument > between children. So like good children, go to your rooms and don't > bother Mommy... You're awarded -1 karma for the patronizing tone. Feel free to read other threads if you don't like what I have to say. -- -Chuck PS: Please refrain from stating my position for me, JT. I'd be happier if you quoted what I said and disagreed honestly with it.