From owner-freebsd-usb@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 9 20:21:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: usb@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E8510656FC; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:21:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bright@elvis.mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDB18FC17; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:21:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bright@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1192) id 7CE8C1A3C3D; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:21:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:21:12 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Gavin Atkinson Message-ID: <20090209202112.GN68801@elvis.mu.org> References: <20090206045349.GQ78804@elvis.mu.org> <498C013B.4000405@FreeBSD.org> <20090208052110.GY78804@elvis.mu.org> <1234119008.7997.32.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1234119008.7997.32.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: usb@FreeBSD.org, Maxim Sobolev , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP usb2/usb4bsd to become default in GENERIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD support for USB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:21:13 -0000 * Gavin Atkinson [090208 10:50] wrote: > On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 21:21 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > * Maxim Sobolev [090206 01:50] wrote: > > > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > - Update GENERIC to use usb2 device names. > > > > > > Wasn't there a plan to rename usb2 devices to match oldusb names (where > > > applicable) once oldusb had been killed? I don't see it in the list. > > > > Probably, although coming from the other side as a user I find it pretty > > annoying when there's somewhat gratuitous changes to the kernel config > > files that I don't really care about that cause my kernels to break. > > The vast majority of our users do not run -CURRENT, and so haven't had > to change config files yet. > > One day, those users will be migrating from 7.x to 8.x, and shouldn't > need to change their kernel config for a "somewhat gratuitous change". > > Your argument only works if people had already had to change their > config files once (usb -> usb2), and that by renaming these back they > will have to change their kernel config back. Only people running > -CURRENT will end up having to do this twice (or indeed at all) if the > rename takes place, end users will not need to do it at all. > > > Basically, calling it usb2 isn't as bad as renaming it back to "usb" > > as it's less disruptive in my book. > > Again, I disagree. Your point is very good! I hadn't thought about 7 users coming to 8 and having the rename actually be a nice thing for them. I was a bit more concerned with backlash from developers for churn, but your point makes a lot of sense. thanks, -- - Alfred Perlstein