From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Thu Jul 25 15:13:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB518A6D2F for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) Received: from hades.sorbs.net (hades.sorbs.net [72.12.213.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332B986BE2 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:13:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from isux.com (gate.mhix.org [203.206.128.220]) by hades.sorbs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.29.0 64bit (built Jul 9 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0PV700822C6KZI20@hades.sorbs.net> for freebsd-security@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Old Stuff To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org References: From: Michelle Sullivan Message-id: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 00:12:36 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48 In-reply-to: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 332B986BE2 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michelle@sorbs.net designates 72.12.213.40 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michelle@sorbs.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.22 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[mhix.org.multi.uribl.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:hades.sorbs.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sorbs.net]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[battlestar.sorbs.net,anaconda.sorbs.net,ninja.sorbs.net,catapilla.sorbs.net,scorpion.sorbs.net,desperado.sorbs.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.24)[-0.239,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[40.213.12.72.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.28)[ip: (-0.70), ipnet: 72.12.192.0/19(-0.37), asn: 11114(-0.29), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11114, ipnet:72.12.192.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:13:22 -0000 Robert Simmons wrote: > I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove all > of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and safer. I should just *plonk* .. not going to though... because I'm curious, have you actually written, edited or even reviewed code? Especially OS code? I'm going to tell you now you might as well treat the questions as non-rhetorical because I'm not going to read the reply. There are too many embedded devices using 32 bit to even take this seriously. (hint: consider what you gain or lose by designing low power/low heat/low resource devices on 32 and 64 bit.. especially when they don't have storage systems (hard drives) and any more than a few hundred *meg* of RAM.) > In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp. > This is neither here nor there as they are available in Ports. -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/