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[82.1.209.206]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p5sm34845760wmh.16.2019.01.25.16.29.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 25 Jan 2019 16:29:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: =?UTF-8?Q?Edward_Tomasz_Napiera=C5=82a?= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:30:42 +0000 From: Edward Tomasz =?utf-8?Q?Napiera=C5=82a?= To: Gleb Popov Cc: Baptiste Daroussin , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Importing mksh in base Message-ID: <20190125093042.GB26635@v2> Mail-Followup-To: Gleb Popov , Baptiste Daroussin , arch@freebsd.org References: <20190125165751.kpcjjncmf7j7maxd@ivaldir.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.2 (2019-01-07) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B6E2982A38 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.979,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 00:30:00 -0000 On 0125T2110, Gleb Popov wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:58 PM Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I would like to import mksh in base, https://www.mirbsd.org/mksh.htm > > And make it the default root shell (not necessary in one step) > > > > Why: > > 1/ it is tiny 400k (in the packaged version) all other shells fitting the > > expectation are bigger > > 2/ it's default frontend in interactive mode is very close to what most > > people > > are used to with bash > > > Are there FreeBSD users that are used to bash? If not, this proposal looks > like another "let's do like Linux" thing. To be honest I'd expect most FreeBSD users to be used to bash. I know I was, until few years ago I've moved to zsh. Most people nowadays come from Linux background, sometimes also OSX. And that means their primary shell, the one they are used to, is bash, since it's the default on both of those platforms. It's fine to provide something different if it is actually better - but being different just for the sake of it, like defaulting to a shell that can't handle a basic "2>&1", is not.