From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 13 18:06:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A8F16A402 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:06:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D1143D45 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:06:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so1552516wra for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cRl9TpxsT95B/n0M1oVsX13keujwio5YP0JQdvTQBwVJipWdU7iHY0koM+8gs42Yta01VeelZEpXQ01I72qHTOrZ8Tpj+Im8JEWXxP2Dt5GJqKyE+VAS6bwCa0idwgdqxKTyW9XBhFw7PKNVaD/FSGJFOT8Wa2f5rgkAF7WRKYI= Received: by 10.65.192.17 with SMTP id u17mr544833qbp; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.253.11 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <54db43990604131106u48b38df2jecee4e628769da0a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:06:00 -0400 From: "Bob Johnson" To: "Kris Kennaway" In-Reply-To: <20060412224509.GA32598@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <443BB35B.6050801@computer.org> <200604121137.32229.work@ashleymoran.me.uk> <20060412141502.GA39355@beryl.lonsteins.com> <200604121528.14491.work@ashleymoran.me.uk> <20060412181607.GA24522@xor.obsecurity.org> <54db43990604121520i715fda4j26a8c828ca0c8d22@mail.gmail.com> <20060412224509.GA32598@xor.obsecurity.org> Cc: bobo1009@mailtest2.eng.ufl.edu, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, portmgr@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wanted: Flash player for .... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:06:02 -0000 On 4/12/06, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 06:20:26PM -0400, Bob Johnson wrote: > > On 4/12/06, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 02:11:12PM -0400, Andy Reitz wrote: > > > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Ashley Moran wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 12 April 2006 15:15, you wrote: > > > > > > I forwarded this license issue to an engineer I know there. His > > > > > > response was positive. We'll have to see how it goes with their > > > > > > management and legal. > > > > > > I lost track of the above email, but keep portmgr@ and the port > > > maintainer in the loop with developments on this front. > > > > > > > I submitted a query to Adobe customer support via their web site. The > > reply I got stated in part: > > > > "Please note that Flash Player 8 is not supported in FreeBSD, thus it > > not mentioned on the End User License Agreement that Flash Player can > > download and installed on the operating system. It is not that the > > web player is prohibited in FreeBSD, but the operating system itself > > is not compatible with Flash Player." > > > > I have replied to them to point out that this statement is incorrect, > > that FreeBSD is entirely capable of running Flash Player, but FreeBSD > > users such as I are now prohibited from using Adobe products. I asked > > them if they want me to stop using it -- it will be interesting to see > > what they say. > > > > I also pointed out that if that was not their intent, they should > > consider changing the wording of the EULA. I think that if everyone > > who is speculating about this on this list were instead to submit > > their requests for clarification (not threats) to Adobe's customer > > support, it might get some attention from Adobe. > > Let's just wait to see what they say first, it could be irritating if > dozens of people suddenly start asking the same questions. > I think that if only one person questions this, their response will be that there aren't enough FreeBSD users to worry about. If several question it (politely), it might get a little attention somewhere above the front-line customer service level. Anyway, the answer I got is not highly enlightening. The most significant paragraph (I think): Please note that it is your option whether to install Flash Player on your FreeBSD; however, please note that we cannot provide you with any technical support, warranties or remedies for the software, although it is clearly stated on the End User License Agreement, the only authorized operating systems where you may download and install Flash Player. I'm pretty sure they are telling me that is up to me whether or not I break the law. I already knew that. - Bob