From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 27 05:13:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D685E106566C; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 05:13:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcm@fuzzwad.org) Received: from mail.volente.us (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:7:d47::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9AD8FC0A; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 05:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zombie.fuzzwad.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.volente.us (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pBR5DHUT097592; Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:13:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rcm@fuzzwad.org) Message-ID: <4EF953ED.9060905@fuzzwad.org> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:13:17 -0600 From: Ron McDowell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton References: <4EF904F2.4020109@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4EF904F2.4020109@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current Subject: Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 05:13:18 -0000 Doug Barton wrote: > The story so far ... > > sysinstall was removed from HEAD in October. I (and others) objected on > the basis that at this time there is no replacement for the post-install > configuration role that sysinstall played. More sysinstall components > were then removed. Then the old version of libdialog (which sysinstall > used) was removed. Thus at this point it's not possible to easily > restore sysinstall. > > So my question is, how much do you care? Is lack of that functionality > in HEAD something that we care about? > > > Doug > We have around 90 web servers running 8.2p5 right now [and yes, I did update the lot on Christmas Eve but that's a different story] and they will not be upgraded to 9.0 until/unless the post-install functionality that was lost by the removal of sysinstall is reintegrated in some way. I also complained about it and was told in effect, "too bad." Everyone who commented said sysinstall caused more problems than it solved, although I've been using it for any system changes I needed that it was capable of doing for as long back as I can remember, and my first FreeBSD box was v2.2. I think removing any functionality that was in a previous release without providing an equal-or-better alternative is a bad idea, and that needs to be considered more carefully in the future. So this is not just a +1 vote, it's a +90. -- Ron McDowell San Antonio TX