From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 7 03:11:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA03385 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ovbis01.ovb.ch (ovbis01.ovb.ch [195.65.24.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA03358 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:11:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from 310@ovb.ch) Received: from zhwbs-e1-01.limmat.ch [194.191.121.201] by ovbis01.ovb.ch with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yicPq-0005b8-00; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:11:08 +0200 From: 310@ovb.ch (Oliver von Bueren) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: US West and RADSL (fwd) Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 10:11:16 GMT Organization: private Message-ID: <357b633b.220372328@mail.ovb.ch> References: <3579976D.6974D1FA@comsys.com> In-Reply-To: <3579976D.6974D1FA@comsys.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA03366 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 12:24:29 -0700, you wrote: >I don't agree. "Let the phone companies...." has little meaning. What you >suggest.. is >that the phone company monopoly is a good thing. That the on-ramp to the >Internet >is a better serviced by the telephone company, and that the telephone company >really should collect the local loop charges for access to all networks of the >future. Hey, I don't see it that way, beside I don't live in the USA. What you say about the equipment in the COs to be installed by the individual ISP doesn't make sense either. That's about the same as if you'd say lets install the equipment to make ISDN connections from the COs to the customers by some ISP to have their customer have ISDN access to the pop. xDSL, which flavor will be a future standard is IMHO not very clear by know, should become a standard like ISDN, which in turn is very much one here in Europe. In terms of ISDN this means that you have a digital end-to-end dialup connection, error corrected and constant in its data rate, with a very fast connect process (oposite to V90, aka x2/k56flex, which is doesn't has all these features, is slower, has no constant data rate and is much more error prone). That is what the goal of xDSL should be too, with the small difference, it's faster! So the approach that the telcos should pay to upgrade their COs is not wrong, the only other thing is that the customer who gets such a line should have the freedom to connect to anyone he likes with this line, like ISDN but faster. This means that the COs have to route the traffic through a net, say an ATM, to the desired ISP. Conclusion: In the end the customer needs a xDSL enabled connection to the COs and the ISP is probably connected through say an ATM link to the telcos net. This doesn't make it a monopoly for the telcos but gives the customer the freedom to connect to the ISP he wants and lets him switch when he wants. Another thing, which is at least here in Switzerland at the current time an option to connect to an ISP, is to get a cooper 2wire leased line to an ISP and use one of the xDSL technologies to connect. This is used as our telco(s) are still testing the new technology and didn't deploy it up till now. But as a final solution, this isn't very satisfying, as you're bound to one ISP and can't change without rerouting the leased line by the telco to another destination, which always cost you money. Cheers, Oliver To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message