From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Wed May 23 19:30:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378ABEAED20; Wed, 23 May 2018 19:30:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.138]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57B267A851; Wed, 23 May 2018 19:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id LZSufKRrTSzNNLZSvfwejH; Wed, 23 May 2018 13:30:31 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=KuxjJ1eN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=VUJBJC2UJ8kA:10 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=7-wb64_vboOz9cySJ-kA:9 a=MK8dPyvghpYmsHx2:21 a=f3_PpXVscLl_IUfO:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=BgSxtmHFWSR1mRn6:21 a=5QyAWYKhLW3XyETa:21 a=mn-8ZsUBN8L_gf15:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from [192.168.1.110] (S0106002401cb186f.gv.shawcable.net [70.67.125.17]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 825583BC; Wed, 23 May 2018 12:30:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Cy Schubert Subject: RE: svn commit: r333388 - in head: . share/man/man4 sys/confsys/dev/nxge sys/modules sys/modules/nxge tools/kerneldoc/subsys tools/toolstools/tools/nxge usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 12:30:26 -0700 To: Stefan Esser , "rgrimes@freebsd.org" , Mark Linimon CC: Gleb Smirnoff , Sean Bruno , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "src-committers@freebsd.org" Message-Id: <20180523193027.825583BC@spqr.komquats.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGc+mdqwA+s7NpzXtrM0wWaHBtxSX9cLWlEBdQFYynNyQvaza01dHS+Dyjc3cRJHob4ryXLWEInqKJAcR0c6Hy+Pdbyjd2TB7Rorc97zbnOkU3BMBJOz 3WjV2VlCaCulyMze0fBZ6Lx/kBcCy7OVcTC+2l9ChYDBrqgUPSEnWMNIJwUN6cGwkcxWc20NXQrFM7A1kXc/pD3D4QO7mBonm8upUeIwVvPwAO6UGVUg2E8u qJXSa0W34EGoCsuSqBbdu05gjtQv/qR8IwYfKCeNQp0MWbrK/uOX887lAfrnuXEeQD5OzSHfW2WHVL5HgNQgfpmLIniXXljifB7ZBtajFwNZYO0pmUSn8n32 /MyMinmRMHgV3Gtz95CNaSaoDpQ1LXVrHK2h+zNOgv2Ebrae+fg= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 19:30:39 -0000 Except for old computers and old software that segfaults on 64-bit, how man= y people still use i386? Full disclosure: I'd like to see i386 deorbited before I retire. --- Sent using a tiny phone keyboard. Apologies for any typos and autocorrect. Also, this old phone only supports top post. Apologies. Cy Schubert or The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. --- -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Esser Sent: 23/05/2018 11:44 To: rgrimes@freebsd.org; Mark Linimon Cc: Gleb Smirnoff; Sean Bruno; svn-src-head@freebsd.org; svn-src-all@freebs= d.org; src-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r333388 - in head: . share/man/man4 sys/confsys/de= v/nxge sys/modules sys/modules/nxge tools/kerneldoc/subsys tools/toolstools= /tools/nxge usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share Am 23.05.18 um 20:14 schrieb Rodney W. Grimes: >> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:41:17AM -0700, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: >>> If end of sales and support is enough to remove 10g driver from the ker= nel, >>> can we please delete all 10Mbit, 100Mbit 10+ year old drivers from the = kernel? >> >> Depends on how many existing users we want to screw over. Not everyone >> replaces all their hardware every 2 years, folks. >=20 > And some of us buy 2 year old hardware because it is cheap, > and serves our needs just fine. Even 8 year old servers > make usable machines today. >=20 >> The difference is that the Exar chips failed in the marketplace; very >> few seem to have made it out into the wild. >> >> Given, 10Mbit-only things are way past their sell-by date. >=20 > Do we even have any 10Mbit only drivers? I think that all the > 10mbit drivers also support 100mbit devices, but maybe there > are some odd cases I cant remeber. AFAIK and FWIW: ed(4), le(4) on amd64 and on i386 (ISA and PCI) ex(4), ep(4) on i386 (ISA and PCcard) Regards, STefan