From nobody Sun Aug 29 06:44:32 2021 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B574179D9E2 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 06:45:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe35.google.com (mail-vs1-xe35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Gy3qH2ljgz4fVX for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 06:45:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe35.google.com with SMTP id i23so8001029vsj.4 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:45:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7qHpcFNLNl9PxOy42yToAPNBE3Tgab+7FKEQTlpsnc0=; b=B+QZu/hRYOWLwSi6KJ3C/QNgs1kKCyLNh2654y2VNQvi+gxKETuvfzF4twsYoYKRf/ MG9NYZ/GLcjPptPe5CpyGtF5XN0/Hj/AmEpa86z3lYq1ltQFbSYD/bFWLGHJ5fSZb97+ 7aHg8o438QN2HradQzoeboOuajes2XnCSe3ar5JkqsGwYPKIhpk+3hcwmOPe1dABHfnG +WjzVJBMEpIUyrrMPRqZ1ELRMl02BfRBTOcVztbvQjw3WXNOsKqk9sjvyUas9aBLuksx Q0QmYd77UeX9H3AGLDGmKJzeuXXkIoX22z130jhofyaEho92YZpwxUHnmjxqMHVIShzm 0nQQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7qHpcFNLNl9PxOy42yToAPNBE3Tgab+7FKEQTlpsnc0=; b=Va6uKZINx71SDO6lx3ZD8Gb1nmuSjHS8z+tnO2GqO3GCXEWS7nlOXaeVs67AyX5QXZ o1JnAQcmfYWM4euCgt28tBxQidA/+NQeeRfpCdhH3poL6umcmXpUYi2zkmpBQKeK6Q4y Tx0I+85Smw7ogFLRXmcW8W7CCGkyYAsNR60dCPalYOR6VJhEVDl18hB8T9lTrnE3Lc8y GazG19IDgGyQ7vbYV4tJkcxXVbas6o+nFVhsh+pHq+pTGSwcb664eNVDES4ka2CuUTNy adjir8+JMayXPGYZaJab0YeYa3VkbnQ6yKkrP9wEnNBpgA5RJI0gSbDS0ljH8ptjHtJL 7mzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530c5i2CR/BB8kP1P+ilkGJEAIKNCmP2diJNqt1yL24NKGHYZAbI q0CRwOuixzlAvwsUm053d4sovEXDSmzsYWw7VEFesC+S X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxJyj7o7ueqqjSP4Zx00HB3ZZwCQWCcoMpBNUowsZ7BpqqXo59SQcEQpFPs4vP0z4tNXk0up+aoMpPLT1t4J+I= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f656:: with SMTP id u22mr2146546vso.11.1630219508934; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:45:08 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5586012f9adea958e541191f7598eda1cfc5d8d6.camel@o0l0o.org> In-Reply-To: <5586012f9adea958e541191f7598eda1cfc5d8d6.camel@o0l0o.org> From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:44:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [REQUEST] Portfolio Performance To: masterone@o0l0o.org Cc: FreeBSD Ports Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bc699a05caad0eb5" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Gy3qH2ljgz4fVX X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: Y --000000000000bc699a05caad0eb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 7:42 PM Master One via ports wrote: > Maybe I should have mentioned that I'm not a FreeBSD user yet, but just > checking out the possibility to replace Arch Linux on my laptop. > > I know about the Porters Handbook, but I'm not a developer or > programmer, so diving in that deep may not be an option for me (I > possibly would if I could, but then it may be a question of available > time to learn all that's necessary and actually do it). > > I thought maybe I can gain the interest of someone who is capable and > would find use of that software for himself. > > > On Sun, 2021-08-29 at 12:34 +1000, raf via ports wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 04:06:00AM +0200, Master One via freebsd- > > ports wrote: > > > > > Not an advert or SPAM, but indeed just a port request ;) > > > > > > Though not sure how this classifies as badly worded and how I > > > should > > > have written that request differently. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 15:41 -0700, Lee Brown wrote: > > > > It's meant to be a port request, i.e. will somebody please port > > > > this > > > > to > > > > FreeBSD, but badly worded. > > > > > > > > I marked it as SPAM before I saw the forum post where SirDice > > > > pointed > > > > them > > > > to this ML. So no, not just you :) > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 2:46 PM Dave Horsfall > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is it just me, or does this look suspiciously like an advert? > > > > > > > > > > -- Dave > > > > I think it makes sense that a request for a new port > > explain why the software is worth porting. I can also > > imagine that it might be difficult to do this in a way > > that doesn't sound like an advertisement for the > > software. After all, the request is an attempt to > > entice an existing porter to take on additional work. > > That's inherently an attempt at persuasion. > > > > The porting documentation I've seen only covers > > creating a new port, not asking someone else to do so, > > or giving advice on how best to do that. > > > > I suppose the implicit recommendation is to learn about > > FreeBSD porting, create the port, submit it, and hope > > that it gets accepted: > > > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/book/ > > > > There's a big learning curve, but on the plus side, > > once you've created your first port, it should be much > > easier the next time. :-) > > > > cheers, > > raf > > > Many years ago , I have sent a ( or many ) message(s) to some lists by suggesting the following idea(s) separately or combined ( I do not remember now correctly ) by saying ( approximately ) : The Handbook is outside of the source tree and maintained as a SINGLE ( let's say ) file , for THREE releases . Rules or explanations are separated by IF statements related to respective covered releases . When a new release is issued , ALL of the respective IF statements need to be modified respectively . I have been in the computing area since 1970 . To maintain such a handbook structure over sliding releases correctly is an ENORMOUS task , means it is NOT POSSIBLE . Then please move Handbook into related source tree and maintain it separately for each release . In the FreeBSD web site , display handbooks and man pages with respect to releases . Additionally , display the handbook and man pages like a blog system , each part as a new page . Link mailing lists subjects with these pages . When a user writes a comment into a man or handbook page , send it to the mailing list . In that way , threads will be attached to the related man page or handbook page . In messages , there is very valuable information , but these points are lost in the current mailing list structure . If messages are linked into respective pages , parts may be transmitted into the respective pages and these improve it considerably . In that way , related useful information is not lost and it will be used in later accesses . I am able to understand that dear FreeBSD maintainers are doing very good jobs , but these are not sufficient to supply the most efficient service . The expectation is that "The best thing is to supply such a service yourself ." . A very good suggestion . But there is an important problem : It is sometimes possible to generate a GOOD idea , but its implementation is impossible for the idea generator to supply such a service due to LACK of such knowledge . A possible solution would be to supply such a solution by persons being experts on such blog systems . Missing part is this HELP structure . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk --000000000000bc699a05caad0eb5--