From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 16:20:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22C737B404; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from praetor.linc-it.com (hardtime.linuxman.net [66.147.26.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DDC43FA3; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:20:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (adsl-156-170-18.jan.bellsouth.net [66.156.170.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by praetor.linc-it.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309C915225; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:20:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 7590E20F1F; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:20:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:20:06 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Don Lewis Message-ID: <20030426232006.GC58838@over-yonder.net> References: <3EAADD13.50207@acm.org> <200304262218.h3QMHuXB040660@gw.catspoiler.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200304262218.h3QMHuXB040660@gw.catspoiler.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i-fullermd.1 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD cc: ru@FreeBSD.org cc: current@FreeBSD.org cc: kientzle@acm.org Subject: Re: i386/loader compiled with NOFORTH X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 23:20:12 -0000 On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 03:17:56PM -0700 I heard the voice of Don Lewis, and lo! it spake thus: > > > Perhaps it's time to demote the boot floppies > > to second-class status. People who can't boot > > from CD-ROM don't need driver support for the > > newest, fanciest hardware in the installation > > kernel. > > That's true. Er, I wouldn't go that far. For one thing, floppies are re-usable; even out at J. Random Client-Site, I can usually find a couple floppies to slap boot images onto temporarily; a CD is permanent. It's bigger. And a lot of places and people (including, say, _me_) don't have and never have had a CD burner. The ability to load modules from additional floppies gives a lot of flexibility in what can be trimmed from the kernel and still be usable during the install. I don't think it's time to consider axing 1.44 meggers yet... -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet"