Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 07:35:22 -0400 From: Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dhcpcd(8) into FreeBSD base Message-ID: <7080a255-41bb-49b9-a76c-9eec9d888302@denninger.net> In-Reply-To: <549425506.8980.1750427031217@localhost> References: <e401671f-6a67-49ed-bc41-e8fbb9de27cb@www.fastmail.com> <CAPyFy2BackF0FshyjfV6qoOoJjFqiqcu%2BVxx9X_%2BRHpepOXTsw@mail.gmail.com> <18ff2d4772a.129dde187836962.5411001908566459400@marples.name> <bf3f1d62-70bb-4191-82ae-d8c9358d0b47@denninger.net> <1188806329.62817.1750321263908@localhost> <5f4fe904-dda8-42d8-8325-dd3bb0403df8@denninger.net> <549425506.8980.1750427031217@localhost>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">I've not seen anything like that; it
appears that the issue I've had is related to my (very strong)
desire to have the gateway be entirely power-fail safe, which in
turn means that the contents of /var/db are volatile (since its a
nanobsd build.)=C2=A0<i>=C2=A0</i>That, coupled with the ISPs origi=
nal
"valid" time for the Ip6 delegation being roughly a week means
they from what they're telling is that they want me to attempt to
rebind on a reboot (e.g. power loss, software upgrade, etc.) and
of course you can't if you don't know what the original delegation
was.=C2=A0 The same applies to the duid although dhcpcd does have a=
way
to produce what should be invariant for at least a consistent MAC
address (e.g. interface to which you're plugged.)</div>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">I'm wondering if the interaction you
ran into is related to its use of BPF.</div>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2025 09:43, Ronald Klop wrote:=
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I have tried the=C2=A0"noip4ll" and "noarp" option. Didn't change
anything.<br>
<br>
My issue ended up that dhcpcd said in the logs it would sent a
dhcp packet (the port 67/68 thing), but nothing appeared on the
network. And so the lease timed out after a long time and it
removed the IP address from the interface.<br>
<br>
Ronald.<br>
<br>
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<strong>Onderwerp:</strong>Re: dhcpcd(8) into FreeBSD base</p>
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<blockquote>Hi,<br>
<br>
I don't know the details about your setup, but I tried
dhcpcd in my network last few months and I encountered
that it:<br>
<br>
- runs fine in a 14.X jail on a 14.X machine (RPI3B)
for both IP4 and IP6<br>
- it does not work well on a 14.X jail on a 15.x
machines. (RPI4)<br>
<br>
The symptoms look a lot like what you describe.
Sometimes it got an address and a day later it was
gone again. Restarting sometimes helped, often didn't
change anything.<br>
Up to the point that I started reading to code of
dhcpcd and encountered that it writes a line in the
log about getting a lease and the next statement was
sending a packet out on the network and I never see
that packet in tcpdump.<br>
<br>
Anyway on the RPI3 I still use it. On the RPI4 I went
back to dhclient + SLAAC after I put a lot of time in
tcpdumping and testing. Maybe it is just that 14
userland doesn't match enough with 15 kernel to do
BPF/dhcp. But than again.... with dhclient it works
fine.<br>
<br>
I didn't run dhcpcd yet on the host OS yet as I was
first testing it in the VNET jails.<br>
<br>
Just my 2 cents.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Ronald.<br>
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<p>Now that's very curious.</p>
<p>Could you (where you can control what's going on with
the other end, which I can't) try again with "noip4ll"
and "noarp" and see if you still get the oddness?</p>
<p>I have a suspicion this is the cause (from the docs
"noarp" should be enough to disable both, but never
hurts to stick 'em both in there) -- and if so then
perhaps default behavior should be changed.</p>
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