From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Mon Nov 12 14:19:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B511107052; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66C16705F9; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id wACE0Kcb025629; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:00:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id wACE0JK5025628; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:00:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201811121400.wACE0JK5025628@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: svn commit: r340326 - head In-Reply-To: To: cem@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:00:19 -0800 (PST) CC: "Rodney W. Grimes" , woodsb02@freebsd.org, src-committers , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Reply-To: rgrimes@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 66C16705F9 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.38 / 200.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[rgrimes@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.08)[-0.080,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.41)[-0.411,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dnsmgr.net]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.00)[-0.001,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13868, ipnet:69.59.192.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:19:29 -0000 > I absolutely approve of Ben's excellent addition to UPDATING, a text document. At no point did I raise ANY objectection to the content of his change, stop trying to make that the issue. > Your demands for additional scrutiny and time-wasting around code > review are ridiculous and disproportionate, and certainly a poor > reward for Ben's straightforward and unimpeachable effort to improve > our UPDATING documentation. My demands are reasonable, as I stated them, your ignoring them and casting focus on my non dmeands however is pointless. > > Ben, thank you for submitting and committing the UPDATING change and > please try to ignore Rod's hyper-criticism. What you are totally ignoring is that Ben infact TAGGED me into the review process, causing me to process yet another email only to go look at the review to find it had been closed by a commit in < 4 hours total elapsed time. That is BULLSHIT and I am calling it BULLSHIT. And though Ben is the poor victom of example here, he is not the only guilty party, and though this is a trivial change, it is not the change that I am ranting about, but the fact that the process is broken. IF YOUR GOING TO TAG SOMEONE INTO A REVIEW YOU MUST GIVE THEM TIME TO RESPOND BEFORE YOU COMMIT, otherwise your just wasting there time. Do NOT tag me into a review if your going to commit it before I can possibly be expected to respond. I well rant on anyone who does that. CLEAR NOW? > Conrad > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 5:07 PM Rodney W. Grimes > wrote: > > > > [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > > > On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 at 2:43 am, Rodney W. Grimes < > > > freebsd@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > > > > If your going to bother with a differential, and invite people to > > > > it you should give them at least 24 hours, and preferably 72 hours > > > > to respond to the new review. Reviews that last < 4 hours are not > > > > code reviews. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Rod Grimes > > > > rgrimes@freebsd.org > > > > > > > Hi Rod, > > > > > > Sorry. The main reason I submitted the code review is because I do not have > > > my src commit bit, so needed to seek approval to commit. > > > > All the more reason for it to wait until the people you *invited* to > > the review to have a chance to respond. > > > > I do not believe an "accept" in a review is an "approve to commit > > beyond your normal scope". > > > > Was cem aware that he was "approving a non src committer to commit > > this change to the src tree" as your review has no mention that you > > are seeking src bit approval to commit there. > > > > > > > > I felt the need to commit the UPDATING entry was time sensitive, given the > > > change it was notifying users of had already been committed. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Ben > > > -- > > > > -- > > Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org > > > > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org