From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Feb 5 4:53: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E39137B401 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 04:53:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9C243F43 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 04:52:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@unfoldings.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18gP2i-000JaS-00; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:52:44 +0200 Received: from prometheus-p0.datel.laserfence.net ([192.168.255.1] helo=prometheus.home.laserfence.net) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18gP2M-000JaL-00; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:52:23 +0200 Received: from phoenix.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.2]) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18gP2I-000O33-00; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:52:18 +0200 Received: from will by phoenix.home.laserfence.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18gP2H-0004jy-00; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:52:17 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Willie Viljoen To: Anand Buddhdev Subject: Re: need some advice on MTA Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:52:17 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3E4020A7.6030807@myrealbox.com> <20030205120228.GU393@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <20030205123705.GA17038@anand.org> In-Reply-To: <20030205123705.GA17038@anand.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200302051452.17412.will@unfoldings.net> X-Spam-Score: (/) X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18gP2M-000JaL-00*FNt2Oj00Slc* X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020422 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday 05 February 2003 14:37, Anand Buddhdev wrote: > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 01:02:29PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > > I run four Postfixes (one of them with Courier-IMAP), and one Qma= il > > with vpopmail. > > > > Postfix is IMO easier to install and administer, but doesn't have= a > > point'n'click interface. > > > > It also looks like Postfix is a much faster moving target than > > Qmail, e. g. the virtual address/mailbox support has been evolvin= g > > quite a lot, and the configuration changed in Postfix-2. > > > > I wouldn't recommend Courier; I don't know the SMTP part of the > > pack, but the IMAP server is pretty admin-hostile in that it > > doesn't log almost anything at all, so when you run into trouble, > > you're left to guessing, and hacking the source. > > Courier-IMAP is not admin-hostile. You can enable debugging, and it > will log a lot of information. The SMTP server and client part of > courier is also nice, robust and friendly to other sites, and has many > useful features (RBL checking, rejecting spam, flexible aliasing, > SMTP authentication, SSL support) all out of the box. And if you > install the entire courier suite, you also get a POP server, webmail > server and mailing list manager, and a webadmin CGI to configure it all > easily. Courier's SMTP server takes its basic design from qmail, but ha= s > gone far beyond qmail in features, and has made many improvements over > those parts of qmail that many people have long been criticising. Take > a look at it more closely before trashing it so trivially. Off topic: If you absolutely do not want to run Courier (or any part of it), you can= =20 get the same results with Exim as your MTA, solidpop3d as your POP3 serve= r,=20 UW IMAP (imap-uw in ports) as your IMAP server, and squirrelmail (require= s=20 IMAP server and PHP4 supported web server) as your web mail. This set of programs, IMHO, is the best for the job, but you will probabl= y=20 have more trouble configuring them than Courier. Personally I'd go for my= =20 set of programs, but they are seperate things that have to be configured = to=20 work properly together. As far as features and robustness goes, both=20 solutions will give you exactly the same end result. As for things being admin-hostile. If you are used to something like Wind= ows=20 NT MDaemon or Microsoft Exchange Server, there is simply nothing on the=20 UNIX platform that will ever make you happy, unless you are willing to ma= ke=20 a paradigm shift, and to start reading the manuals. I do not know of any good software which can be configured by pointing an= d=20 clicking. UNIX mail servers have power and versatility, the Windows serve= rs=20 have user interfaces that an infant can master. These two separate=20 paradigms can not be combined. In the case of a system with an easy GUI=20 interface, all you can do with it is what the GUI developer thought of. I= n=20 the case of UNIX servers, in most cases, you can do what ever you can cod= e=20 in C or perl with it. Will --=20 Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) will@unfoldings.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message