From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 17 18:23: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCC737B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.netcologne.de (smtp.netcologne.de [194.8.194.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EFB43E3B for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:23:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmseck-usenet@netcologne.de) Received: from mail.tmseck.homedns.org (xdsl-213-168-118-203.netcologne.de [213.168.118.203]) by smtp.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7818667A for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:22:59 +0100 (MET) Received: by mail.tmseck.homedns.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 062A1286A5; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:22:59 +0100 (CET) From: Thomas Seck To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -STABLE was stable for long time (Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS?) Organization: private site In-Reply-To: <20021118002315.GA13171@submonkey.net> X-Attribution: tms Mail-Copies-To: nobody Message-Id: <20021118022259.062A1286A5@mail.tmseck.homedns.org> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:22:59 +0100 (CET) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Ceri Davies (setantae@submonkey.net): > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:02:55AM +0100, Thomas Seck wrote: >> >> Basically, you want others to do the developing, testing and patching >> and keep the complaining part for yourself. > > Umm, there aren't any patches for Marc to apply. > If there were, then this whole discussion wouldn't even be here (because he > wouldn't be having problems with -stable in the first place). > > I also find people telling Marc that he should do some development, or acting > as though he is somewhat lacking in clue, is rather amusing. Always happy to serve. But please read my mail Marc had replied to - especially the part not quoted in his reply to get my meaning. If I were in Marc's position I would run -RELEASE and generate patches for new features and bugfixes myself from -STABLE after review and test. Yes, this means definitely a lot more work than the occasional CVSup - make world - cycle. But after all, that's what system administration is all about. > I agree with Marc when he suggests that people shouldn't be performing MFCs > that they're not prepared to support; while -current may be for developers, > they should keep in mind that -stable and the release branches formed from it > are for the users and this should justify more attention than it currently is > getting. Agreed. But keep in mind that FreeBSD is still a volunteer project. Most developers develop for fun - doing maintenance and support is not fun... --Thomas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message