From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 17 12:30:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008B416A41F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:30:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.web-strider.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7832243D49 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:30:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id jAHCXMb43106; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:33:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Malcolm Kay" , Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:30:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200511161745.05117.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: RE: Intresting X Question... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:30:27 -0000 >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Malcolm Kay >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:15 PM >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Intresting X Question... > > >On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:31 pm, Eric Murphy wrote: >> Maybe some body can explain this alittle better then my google >> searchs and other readings. >> >> My question is this: Lets say your installing BSD on some >> workstation, you dont know the hardware specs of the monitor >> (Vertical and Horizontal rates ect..) and you need to >> configure Xorg. Its my understanding that Xorg runs getconfig, >> which determines the video card type and monitor type. Once it >> has that information it applys the information gatherd to the >> xorg config. Is that how it works? I was going to say, it cant >> just test a bunch of differnt monitor rates that could cause >> damage to the monitor. >> > >Most modern monitors respond to Xorg's enquiry over an I2C bus >as to its capabilities. >If this doesn't work then maybe: >* The monitor is too old. >* The monitor doesn't subscribe to the 'standards'. >* Somehow the I2C bus is not working. >* The monitor manufacturer was overly optermistic when setting >up the information base for reporting over I2C You forgot that the video card and Xserver has to support this. Yes, Xorg/XFree86 configuration is a breeze when the X server is able to probe the monitor for the refresh rates. But there's a lot of cards/server combos that this will not work with. And when that happens X configuration is a bitch. What you have to do is trial and error it. For example take the onboard video card on the early Compaq deskpro, it's an S3 based thing. Under the svga server the monitor is properly probed but the driver programs the card wrong and you get problems with the mouse. Under the s3 server the monitor isn't probed but the mouse cursor works. A quick and dirty hack is to boot with the svga server, record the refresh rates from the X log, then reconfigure for the usable server and hard code in the refresh rates learned from the log. Quick and dirty but effective. It's also not something that an inexperienced person would think of. The other problem is the GUI-based config tool won't of course work if the card/monitor combo is too weird. Another solution to that is running the original script configuration tool. There are a lot of X config tricks that aren't mentioned in the Handbook. If the OP had bothered to list what he was working with I might even suggest a few that would help. Ted