From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 17:23:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B76316A41B; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:23:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A7F13C474; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lARHJ6Mc076890; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:19:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lARHJ5B8076889; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:19:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:19:05 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Erich Dollansky Message-ID: <20071127171905.GA76551@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <474BC22F.5070109@gmail.com> <474BC808.6040507@pacific.net.sg> <474BD8DE.90600@pacific.net.sg> <474BEDC1.5060204@pacific.net.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474BEDC1.5060204@pacific.net.sg> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Joshua Isom , freebsd-questions Questions , FreeBSD chat Subject: Re: In the spirit of Godwin's law - I propose Beastie's law X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:23:30 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 06:13:21PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > Joshua Isom wrote: > > > >On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > >>Joshua Isom wrote: > >>>On Nov 27, 2007, at 1:32 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >>>>Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >> > >>>"Hitler was a good facist, he did his job well." > >> > >>no, he was a bad one. He finally lost > > > >But he lost in due part to his fascism, and his devotion to the > > he only lost because of the Germans sabotaging him. Not hardly. He lost because he was unable to see reality when it conflicted with his pre-made conclusions and 'plan' - something familiar in the USA at the moment. > > He was the last man standing saving the last bullet for himself. No, he committed suicide because he couldn't face up to the loss. > > >it was the fascism that lost the war. He discarded his country for his > >fascism. > > He gave his life for the country. Not really. In this he was a good facist -- he gave his country for his on well being and when his country was insufficient, he failed and bailed out. His was a classic case of what is often called the 'radical right syndrom' in psychology studies. It is a slight misnomer because there can be a similar pathology that features the political left, but it is not nearly as common. Deviants leaning in that direction tend to manifest it differently. Anyway, the basic synopsis is that he was encourated to perceive himself as a total loser during his formative years, primarily by an abusive father figure who also demanded that he be strong. He became, for a while, a mama's boy. But he was unable to contain the two conflicting perceptions - that of being an unsucessful loser and that he must be strong and successful - acquiring a severe case of something called cognative dissonance. Most people learn to blunt the extreme edges of these conflicts as they mature, but some cannot and must act out in some way. Adolf's way was anti-social in extreme. He did the classic thing for someone experiencing severe cognative disonance and found convenient places to offload his conflict - Jews and others who were popularly seen as misfits and often blamed for social problems - and, since this does not really relieve the problem, continued to escalate this attempt to offload his internal conflict. He was able to invent an image for himself which he used to recruit and hold followers who were also looking for ways to explain their failures and/or for relief from their bad condidtions, but he never really believed that image of himself and also had to escalate it continuously to support it so as not to fall back in to that unacceptable loser state. When it was finally no longer possible to support that image, he chose death, pretending it was the bold way, when actually it was just yet another way of avoiding the perceived reality that he had carried with him all his life. This syndrom, based on cognative disonance, is fairly common and is present in many of the terrorist types - especially the leaders, but not necessarily the followers whom they dupe in to believing their acts are ways of salvation from abuse rather than escapes from unacceptable internal conclicts. It is also apparent in some political leaders, including some currently prominent on the world stage, in varying intensities. Now, how does this fit in OS type questions. I'd really have to think hard to rationalize that. Sorry. ////jerry > > > > >>>Flame war anyone? > >> > >>Verbrannte Erde was the motto of his final campaign. > >> > >>The mother of all flame wars. > > > >Classic retreat strategy. Make the earth worthless. Kind of doesn't > >work when food keeps coming in, and not just grown. > > Classic? How wasted his own resources like this before? > > Erich > > PS: > > I hope real nazis never read this as they will not be able to understand > the irony in here > > > > >>Erich > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"