From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 28 18:13:42 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDE1E1166A for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailrelay11.qsc.de (mailrelay11.qsc.de [212.99.187.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.antispameurope.com", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03ABE83404 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de ([213.148.129.14]) by mailrelay11.qsc.de; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:13:32 +0200 Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-85-107.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.85.107]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B1ED3CC3F; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:13:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id v7SIDSph002054; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:13:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:13:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ernie Luzar Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Freebsd under windows 10 Message-Id: <20170828201328.6bca6d11.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <59A447DA.3070908@gmail.com> References: <59A447DA.3070908@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cloud-security-sender: freebsd@edvax.de X-cloud-security-recipient: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mailrelay11.qsc.de with A35F66A3598 X-cloud-security-connect: mx01.qsc.de[213.148.129.14], TLS=1, IP=213.148.129.14 X-cloud-security: scantime:.1432 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:13:42 -0000 On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:42:02 -0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > The Microsoft September Windows 10 update is providing a method for > installing Unix flavored operating systems [IE: Linux, Ubuntu, SUSE and > Fedora] under windows 10. > > Read the end of this story for details at this link > https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/ubuntu-linux-available-in-windows-10-store/ > > > What is Freebsd doing to join the group? Probably nothing. It's not good to join any group just because it does exist. ;-) Actually, you can understand the "Windows Subsystem for Linux" like FreeBSD's Linux ABI, or like what wine is providing to run "Windows" programs on FreeBSD and Linux: You can install Linux OS components and additional applications and run them on "Windows", just as you can run a "Windows" program on FreeBSD using wine. As far as I understand, you do not run the Linux kernel (read: Linux itself), instead the WSL presents Linux-like kernel interfaces and library calls for the applications executed. That's why the possible assumption of "running one OS inside another OS" is not valid here. The support is limited to a specific subset of GNU/Linux operating system distributions. You do not install Linux under "Windows", nor can you install FreeBSD under "Windows". Except for virtualization, you cannot install and run an operating system under "Windows". You can find more about the nature of WSL here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux As you can conclude, FreeBSD uses a different kernel and system library than Linux, so MICROS~1 would have to implement them completely differently, maybe as WSF. ;-) In my opinion, this is a nice approach to add normal computer functionalities to the "Windows" environment which lacks them. Until now, the common solution was install Cygwin, but with the ongoing "rising of the walls" a solution native to the "Windows Store" where people can rent software for the computer they cannot control anymore. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...