From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 20 07:37:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB4116A428 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 07:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600C743D46 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 07:37:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.village.org [IPv6:::1] (may be forged)) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4K7ZkV8018724; Sat, 20 May 2006 01:35:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 01:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20060520.013546.104050983.imp@bsdimp.com> To: avalonwallace@gmail.com From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <87ab37ab0605192239n73b7fcdbtbdd5dbd3f1099fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <87ab37ab0605192015h363ef74aw23dcc2d97721dea9@mail.gmail.com> <20060519.232002.71106210.imp@bsdimp.com> <87ab37ab0605192239n73b7fcdbtbdd5dbd3f1099fc3@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: misc questions about the device&driver arch X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 07:37:10 -0000 From: "william wallace" Subject: Re: misc questions about the device&driver arch Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:39:08 +0800 > comparing the method array of pci_pci and cardbusbridge: > what losts in pci bridge but exist in cardbusbridge: > 1 card interface > 2 power interface > 3 some functions : > 3ain bus interface > (bus_driver_added, cbb_driver_added), > (bus_child_detached, cbb_child_detached), > (bus_child_present, cbb_child_present), > 3b in device interface > (device_detach, cbb_detach), > what exists in pci bridge but losts in cardbusbridge: > (pcib_route_interrupt, pcib_route_interrupt), > > not only that ,functions r very different eventhough they realize the > same interface function template > wooo，so long to go to hotplug pci Yes. The hardest part would be to create a pci hot swap bridge driver. The interface for them tend to be underdocumented. The bus_child_present is important for detaching. Also, I think that we may need to start implementing a quiess method to tell the drivers they are about to be removed. For hot plug PCI, the model is that you quess the driver, the os tells you somehow it is safe, and then you remove the card. The details vary (some system are all in software, while others have a complicated interlock and LEDs), but they are similar. Cardbus is harder in some ways because cards leave unannounced (in fact, there's not a good way to announce a card leaving, but there should be). Warner > On 5/20/06, Warner Losh wrote: > > > Busses create devices to represent hardware in the system. The bus > > then causes these devices to be probed and attached. This latter > > usage is for those cases. As drivers are loaded these devices are > > offered to the new (and old) drivers in the system. > > > > FreeBSD inherently dynamic in its device system. The hardest part of > > adding hotplug support is programming the bridge. Adding new devices > > to the tree is easy, but knowing when to add them is hard since you > > have to write a bridge driver... > > > > Warner > > > > > -- > we who r about to die,salute u! > >