From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 18 18:00:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21655 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:00:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nitelife.ddns.org (h24-64-160-38.mt.wave.shaw.ca [24.64.160.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21352 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:57:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vampyro@nitelife.ddns.org) Received: (from vampyro@localhost) by nitelife.ddns.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA01265; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:37:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from vampyro) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:37:33 -0500 (EST) From: iostreamH To: "Oben O. Candemir" Subject: RE: FreeBSD IRC channels and ??quality?? Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just for starters I find #FreeBSD and #linux* on the efnet equally as bad, #linux on the undernet is worse. Your best bet for freebsd help on irc is #freebsd on the undernet, they don't do any hand holding but they usually point you to the correct doc's. Personally I think many of the op's in freebsd on the efnet aren't freebsd advocates, just ppl who want to have their own semi-private os so they can be "leet". After all, when a former linux user ask's "does freebsd do ip-masq?" it's easier to type "man ipnat" in a channel window than it is to do a kick-ban. It's just another missed oppertunity to advocate our superior os. regards iostreamH On 18-Jan-99 Oben O. Candemir wrote: > > I have been using SysV Unices for 5-6 years and last year installed Linux > on my home machine. On the many occasions I required help; I got it from > Linux gurus on thr IRC channels on the irc.linpeople.org > servers and received excellent help. Along the way I helped many other > newbies with my general Unix knowledge. The Linux channels have an ethos > that says no question is dumb or lame. No one is kicked or banned from a > channel because of the pervasive 'calm' and responsiveness the 'elders' > provide to newbies. In fact I don't think the chanop paradigm is in > operation. > > Now to the point... > > I installed FreeBSD after reading many favourable reviews of it and the > time came to join an IRC channel for quick help... EFNET's #freebsd > channel to be precise. I had read the FAQ and it warned me that each of > the channels had a distinct 'style'. I must say that while on the channel > the amount of bullshit and tripe I witnessed was unbelievable. A > cliquey group of unix sysadmins were calling newbies 'lamers', 'loozers', > 'lemurs', 'wankers', etc. Kicking and banning for very soft reasons. I saw > more profanity than what you would expect on a general channel. I was > apalled. > > I'm not surprised the FreeBSD camp are playing 'second fiddle' to Linux in > the interested and willing 'newbies'; and the computer press' > consciousness. > > As a convert to FreeBSD, I urge others interested in promoting FreeBSD to > clean up the act and present the OS on IRC channels in a friendlier > fashion. > > PS: If you don't believe me either join the channel and ask a few > questions or look at the #FreeBSD channel logs for EFNET > located at http://www.emsphone.com/FreeBSD (yes think what you will, the > channels are logged) and judge the quality for yourselves. > > > Best Wishes > O Candemir > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Rob S Date: 18-Jan-99 Time: 19:23:36 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message