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Date:      Thu, 7 Mar 2019 03:28:21 -0500
From:      Charlie Li <ml+freebsd@vishwin.info>
To:        Craig Leres <leres@freebsd.org>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Django versions
Message-ID:  <e2f74e8c-618a-c1be-5b64-638ad30f04e5@vishwin.info>
In-Reply-To: <af61fdea-cd91-33c0-954b-5c1a07380a02@vishwin.info>
References:  <bb5ad8a6-8786-c115-389c-f6034f860cf3@freebsd.org> <af61fdea-cd91-33c0-954b-5c1a07380a02@vishwin.info>

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From: Charlie Li <ml+freebsd@vishwin.info>
To: Craig Leres <leres@freebsd.org>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Cc: matthew@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <e2f74e8c-618a-c1be-5b64-638ad30f04e5@vishwin.info>
Subject: Re: Django versions
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[Re-sending, because my original reply made it to the mailing list but
not to leres@'s real mailbox due to some brokenness in SPF, but also to
add a quip missing originally. Turns out that quip slightly relates to
what matthew@ mentioned.]

On 07/03/2019 02:32, Charlie Li wrote:
> On 07/03/2019 01:55, Craig Leres wrote:
>> I'm working on a port for mailman 3. I want to use django 2.1 because
>> that's what I'm using on the systems I'm currently running mailman 2 o=
n
>> you can't really run different version of django on the same system).
>> But it turns out a lot of ports have RUN_DEPENDS for www/py-django111.=

>>
> I've been working on mail/mailman3 for over a year now (holy crap),
> which is still in phab as D14126. It is only the core engine however.
>=20
And over the course of this time period, it was also discovered that
nearly all ports using SQLAlchemy were depending on
databases/py-sqlalchemy10, yet Mailman 3 hard requires what has since
been added to the tree as databases/sqlalchemy12. Mailman 3 also
requires some of the ports that had depended on
databases/py-sqlalchemy10, which presented a problem until they were
changed to databases/py-sqlalchemy12. There still exists PR 205852 as a
question of handling the SQLAlchemy case, which isn't dissimilar to
Django in this regard.

> Upstream Mailman have architected things such that anything outside of
> the core engine are officially optional. Thus, it is probably best to
> have the other parts, like the Django-consuming parts, as their own
> ports, like mail/mailman3-portorius and mail/mailman3-hyperkitty.
>=20
That should be mail/mailman3-postorius. And thus, the core engine should
not have anything to do with Django in terms of dependencies.

--=20
Charlie Li
=E2=80=A6nope, still don't have an exit line.

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