From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Tue Dec 5 22:26:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1419AE85308 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:26:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonas@fizk.net) Received: from mail-io0-x244.google.com (mail-io0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3E7575E15 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:26:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yonas@fizk.net) Received: by mail-io0-x244.google.com with SMTP id t196so464699iof.0 for ; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:26:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fizk.net; s=google; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language; bh=QfDuqRiiUciERojkYr0kSFXiRiM8vmYaOxyPw1/JWs8=; b=SMPHeDLv1rfMGW+dbPcDmvg9MMx7g1Ot+gwUapK+SlXL1KrM4DVa+/JIdGXhzc1EIZ 0xx805k3uik4GRfcXOKEFRM9MDsRt623ranXumUZ51uZ54pVeg6ftiiBOey30ouJfSMI kaEiehMlCgYBQIXB7euUciV9qn3KZ2C+35Kmw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=QfDuqRiiUciERojkYr0kSFXiRiM8vmYaOxyPw1/JWs8=; b=aoOdSojIHfJeCAGSTe4w/38KT2SQ+aGEM2gLY818kQc99Ac19tb872e3rhJTlRB+Vl f8Cb/wU8FdNAiW76K3VhubhqOV5RqiWYbgy7PsgVsJJX2/3HCzAee0ta55o/tuzi5JVF sMDKV4up99h0r+xlMCxo18pcnFbTh3moKZ9hX37R7WQsSDhm21FKpYvsbgSHlYaFdbVs x1ZawVKhxsjLbrHLBd2qMyr82uW64feMYO63b3Fw+rCPxkRALpR7RMPjWZTsb90f57lM cy13Hcmy3sURP0RllaxALu1RDmlR1velHE+Qux9DTkvmahqV+Jesp9k1ARfX/9pvxnGE gKtg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5u//oEVPwzn6XGcJa3n5ZlvMHp4yNeTTi+6cYhmlg8T/31tHhF TERpgO6n5mwEVdAy15K9Z4AxkRRXnGg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYDNBYa/AkiLKqt2rzC7AW/SyD3N/fiTRVvCo7fOFGMg8p2Opm0zj0L4BYfo3qzXptdorrG1w== X-Received: by 10.107.144.136 with SMTP id s130mr29643971iod.29.1512512766725; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.200] (CPEf0f2494a5cf3-CMf0f2494a5cf0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com. [174.117.121.225]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w6sm667844itc.5.2017.12.05.14.26.05 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Dec 2017 14:26:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: http subversion URLs should be discontinued in favor of https URLs To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org References: <97f76231-dace-10c4-cab2-08e5e0d792b5@rawbw.com> <5A2709F6.8030106@grosbein.net> <11532fe7-024d-ba14-0daf-b97282265ec6@rawbw.com> <8788fb0d-4ee9-968a-1e33-e3bd84ffb892@heuristicsystems.com.au> <20171205220849.GH9701@gmail.com> From: Yonas Yanfa Message-ID: <35656451-afff-7e56-ea9b-1f9658101255@fizk.net> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:19:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171205220849.GH9701@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:26:08 -0000 On 12/05/2017 17:08, Gordon Tetlow wrote: > On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 08:55:00AM +1100, Dewayne Geraghty wrote: >> On 6/12/2017 8:13 AM, Yuri wrote: >>> On 12/05/17 13:04, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >>>> It is illusion that https is more secure than unencrypted http in a >>>> sense of MITM >>>> just because of encryption, it is not. >>> >>> It *is* more secure. In order to break it, you have to have >>> compromized https authorities. Some state actors have plausibly done >>> this. http, on the contrary, can be altered by anybody who has access >>> to the wire, which is generally a much wider set. >>> >>> >>> Yuri >> Yuri, >> It can be illusory.   My last job was as Sec Mgr for a large bank.  They >> disabled cert checking on client devices, placed a wildcard cert at the >> internet boundary and captured all https unencrypted.  An alternative >> approach to advocate is dnssec.  :) > That's a specific decision made by a business as to how they are going > to run their end-points. We can never help in that scenario. > > Using this as a reason to not move to HTTPS is a fallacy. We should do > everything we can to help our end-users get FreeBSD in the most secure > way. > > Regards, > Gordon I wholeheartedly agree with Gordon. Let's do more, not less. I believe it was fallacies like this that mislead many websites, including freebsd.org, to remain in HTTP for far too long. Cheers, -- Yonas Yanfa In Love With Open Source Drupal :: GitHub :: Mozilla fizk.net | yonas@fizk.net