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Date:      Mon, 30 Oct 2023 18:41:40 +0800
From:      Zhenlei Huang <zlei@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Gordon Bergling <gbe@freebsd.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD Current <current@freebsd.org>, John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: KTLS thread on 14.0-RC3
Message-ID:  <53AC8651-141E-4950-84D9-FD94E8B353FD@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <F6D87896-038C-4152-AFBD-68B0DDC71801@FreeBSD.org>
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> On Oct 30, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Zhenlei Huang <zlei@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
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>> On Oct 29, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Gordon Bergling <gbe@freebsd.org> wrote:
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>> Hi,
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>> I am currently building a new system, which should be based on =
14.0-RELEASE.
>> Therefor I am tracking releng/14.0 since its creation and updating it =
currently
>> via the usualy buildworld steps.
>>=20
>> What I have noticed recently is, that the [KTLS] is missing. I have a =
stable/13
>> system which shows the [KTLS] thread and a very recent -CURRENT that =
also shows
>> the [KTLS] thread.
>>=20
>> The stable/13 and releng/14.0 systems both use the GENERIC kernel, =
without any
>> custom modifications.
>>=20
>> Loaded KLDs are also the same.
>>=20
>> Did I miss something, or is there something in releng/14.0 missing, =
which
>> is currenlty enabled in stable/13?
>=20
> KTLS shall still work as intended, the creation of it threads is =
deferred.
>=20
> See a72ee355646c (ktls: Defer creation of threads and zones until =
first use)
>> Run ktls_init() when the first KTLS session is created rather than
>> unconditionally during boot.  This avoids creating unused threads and
>> allocating unused resources on systems which do not use KTLS.
>=20
> ```
> -SYSINIT(ktls, SI_SUB_SMP + 1, SI_ORDER_ANY, ktls_init, NULL);
> ```

Seems 14.0 only create one KTLS thread.

IIRC 13.2 create one thread per core.

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>> Any help for getting an insight on this would be much appreciated.
>>=20
>> --Gordon
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> Best regards,
> Zhenlei




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class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 30, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Zhenlei Huang &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:zlei@FreeBSD.org" class=3D"">zlei@FreeBSD.org</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: =
normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">On Oct 29, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Gordon =
Bergling &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gbe@freebsd.org" =
class=3D"">gbe@freebsd.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Hi,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I am currently building a =
new system, which should be based on 14.0-RELEASE.<br class=3D"">Therefor =
I am tracking releng/14.0 since its creation and updating it =
currently<br class=3D"">via the usualy buildworld steps.<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">What I have noticed recently is, that the [KTLS] is missing. =
I have a stable/13<br class=3D"">system which shows the [KTLS] thread =
and a very recent -CURRENT that also shows<br class=3D"">the [KTLS] =
thread.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The stable/13 and releng/14.0 =
systems both use the GENERIC kernel, without any<br class=3D"">custom =
modifications.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Loaded KLDs are also the =
same.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Did I miss something, or is there =
something in releng/14.0 missing, which<br class=3D"">is currenlty =
enabled in stable/13?<br class=3D""></blockquote><br style=3D"caret-color:=
 rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">KTLS shall still work as intended, the creation of it threads =
is deferred.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">See =
a72ee355646c (ktls: Defer creation of threads and zones until first =
use)</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">Run =
ktls_init() when the first KTLS session is created rather than<br =
class=3D"">unconditionally during boot. &nbsp;This avoids creating =
unused threads and<br class=3D"">allocating unused resources on systems =
which do not use KTLS.<br class=3D""></blockquote><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">```</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">-SYSINIT(ktls, =
SI_SUB_SMP + 1, SI_ORDER_ANY, ktls_init, NULL);</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">```</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; =
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Seems =
14.0 only create one KTLS thread.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>IIRC=
 13.2 create one thread per core.</div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: =
normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br class=3D"">Any help for getting =
an insight on this would be much appreciated.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">--Gordon<br class=3D""></blockquote><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">Best regards,</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">Zhenlei</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
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