From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 23 23:16: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38D337B400 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from there [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id A4BD12D2010A; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:16:13 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: chip To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Subject: Re: FreeBSD Intaller (was "Re: ... RedHat ...") Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:15:35 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Cc: Terry Lambert , David Schultz , "f.johan.beisser" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20020123114658.A514@lpt.ens.fr> <20020123223104.SM01952@there> <20020124004312.A2760@over-yonder.net> In-Reply-To: <20020124004312.A2760@over-yonder.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200201232316523.SM01952@there> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday 23 January 2002 10:43 pm, Matthew D. Fuller banged out on th= e=20 keys: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 10:31:16PM -0800 I heard the voice of > > chip, and lo! it spake thus: > > On Wednesday 23 January 2002 04:57 pm, Terry Lambert banged out on th= e=20 keys: > > > FreeBSD's disk "slicing" and "partitioning" really sucks. > > > > > > It's pretty damn unforgiving, in fact. > > > Grrr. > > > > I know there are many other ways to set up partitions, with multiple = OS's > > etc, but it never was as difficult as I've read and been led to belie= ve. > > [...] > > > Or, maybe I've just been 'lucky' and not had any problems? :-) > > I'd lean toward that option personally. > > The installer isn't terribly bad in the best-case scenario. It just > doesn't handle the edge cases very well at all. That could be a big part of it, my machines are all older AMD K-6 series,= =20 older 15" monitors, nothing new inside. So it's all supported. > For instance, when using SLIP (or hardwired PPP or PLIP, I imagine), > you're in deep trouble if you've never done it before. =20 Again, I must've been lucky. I got user PPP up and running in less than a= n=20 hour, including attaching the external modem. I've read lots of messages = by=20 people who just can't figure it out. The example file was mostly what I u= sed,=20 and it just worked. > You have to > remember to put in the 'other ifconfig options' section the far-end > address of the link, or it won't work; unless you've manually ifconfig'= d > SLIP lines a number of times, you'll forget. Then it'll run slattach. > If you don't get it right the first time, you're screwed, because it'll > never clear the old attachment correctly. Gotta reboot and start over. I've never had a need to set up SLIP, is it even used anymore? > The first time through, it can be kinda hairy just figuring out what yo= u're=20 > doing). =20 I'm sure there are, especially setting up a dual-boot system. I just have= n't=20 experienced any problems with the partitioning part of the install. > Ever have that joy in places like the > 'custom distribution choices' for the custom installation, where you're > not quite sure whether enter or space is select, and the wrong choice > will bump you back menus? I seem to recall that happening, but not to the point of screwing up the=20 install or causing me to start over, just an inconvience. > (Tried installing, then installing X? It dumps on a few compat_* sets.= =20 I have always installed X during the initial OS install, except for when = I=20 upgraded X to 4.01 or whatever the latest was a couple months ago. > It works apparently smoothly in the best-case. In most simple-cases, i= t > won't feel worse than rough-around-the-edges. Start making mistakes, o= r > trying to get intricate, though, and it feels rather like wearing your > high school sweater to your 30th reunion. Maybe so. I have always done the install do a dedicated disk, and have=20 suggested the same to others, simply because it's so easy that way. Once again, I guess I've just been lucky so far. Maybe as my experience=20 expands I'll start seeing some of what you describe (I hope not though) := -) Regards, --=20 Chip <+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+> Windows 95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patc= h to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. <+><+><+><+><+><+><+><+> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message