From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 24 23:45:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DD81FFEED for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 484G3b5NZNz3DWl for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1579909532; x=1582501532; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=UIFMTuWe7Ofhsriaw6Uf/hR2Ct4R/z+CVSO8Q1bb1l4=; b=FqrMvdI9NJbuUnzSU31Ad5PtlNe1JUO3TrkXJSAK81TQiTV2iooc/QCihfLVEwirjsD07zgYF0yCKTbeqWQ19AIIWFAPfpzzu6MFn474FXSNUl1Mg+pqUcaJZ91yukGW+fHpEvvkj+LIv0XA/8wkFqfF3vADAUCPYujCiBv7zGE= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi42ZTAwMDAwMTA1YTllZS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 24 Jan 2020 18:45:26 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 24 Jan 2020 18:45:25 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1iv8df-000Gt2-Qs; Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:45:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:45:23 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Michael Sierchio Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Rust in base Message-Id: <20200124234523.931e00a22ebea691c8cd863b@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> <20200124221319.d4e7fa438cbb1f30da10af2d@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 484G3b5NZNz3DWl X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=FqrMvdI9; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.83 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.13)[ip: (-0.34), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.66), asn: 7381(0.39), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:45:32 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:00:48 -0800 Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 2:13 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith > wrote: > > As a fellow embedded guy, +1 to what Steve says. Even things in the > "Base" should probably have package db entries so they can be removed. pkg base is coming. > Target systems don't necessarily need a compiler or a full tool chain. True but I hope that the full base system will always be capable of building itself. > Then we can converge on a consensus set of basic tools that most people > will need, with the opportunity to remove them – rather than creating a > mini/micro/nano-FreeBSD I think that's essentially the plan. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/