From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 26 18:13:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2FE106564A for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:13:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3448FC1D for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c122-106-216-167.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.216.167]) by mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n1QICQAL015263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:12:28 +1100 X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n1QICP2F070598; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:12:25 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n1QICPW6070597; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:12:25 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:12:25 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Ed Schouten Message-ID: <20090226181225.GA3540@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <49A4B9ED.5040705@telenix.org> <20090225065308.GO19161@hoeg.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090225065308.GO19161@hoeg.nl> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , Chuck Robey Subject: Re: x11 status X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:13:01 -0000 --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2009-Feb-25 07:53:08 +0100, Ed Schouten wrote: >The XFree86 project has been dying ever since almost all the active >development moved to the Xorg-project. Xorg has many new features that >XFree86 doesn't have, like hardware compositing and improved device >detection. And along the way, they've dropped things like integration testing, avoiding regressions and avoiding POLA violations. >> latest cvs image from Xfree86, and it built FAR easier that xorg, far >> faster, far simpler to configure ... > >Why should it matter how easy it is to build a piece of software? You >can just run `make -C /usr/ports/x11/xorg install clean' or `pkg_add -r >xorg'. Note that Chuck also mentioned faster (the conversion from imake to configure added something like 30% to the time to build X.org for absolutely no benefit - some pieces of X.org now take 4 times as long to configure as to build) and easier to configure. Whilst the ease of building a port doesn't really affect the end user, it does affect the port maintainer - a port that needs lots of tender care and feeding will lead to more rapid maintainer burnout. --=20 Peter Jeremy --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkmm24kACgkQ/opHv/APuIfgtQCggnm9MsYPOB/qxVAyL0D18CRu 4PsAoKROsm6tYoreYVnTB99fB9dtqMSg =ecl0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0--