From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 30 08:54:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F81637B401; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB13B43FA3; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@sunbay.com) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (ru@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h6UFsF0U000987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:54:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru@sunbay.com) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6UFsES2000982; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:54:14 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:54:14 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: "David O'Brien" , Wilko Bulte , Scott Long , Wilko Bulte , Marcel Moolenaar , Poul-Henning Kamp , alpha@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030730155414.GA99616@sunbay.com> References: <20030722081738.GB7811@sunbay.com> <20030729095436.GB7617@sunbay.com> <20030729173848.GE4940@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20030729192343.GB66399@sunbay.com> <20030729195449.GA3614@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030729202150.GD66399@sunbay.com> <20030730014325.GA6459@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030730045946.GA22205@sunbay.com> <20030730154052.GA55744@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KsGdsel6WgEHnImy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030730154052.GA55744@dragon.nuxi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: Re: Floppies for ALPHA X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:54:28 -0000 --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 08:40:52AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 07:59:46AM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > Please provide a real-world scenario how this image could be > > used. The contents of MFS root floppy does *NOT* have a > > kernel, and just increasing its size to say 10M won't do > > the trick. >=20 > At this point I almost think you're just purposefully being dense. >=20 No, of course not. Let's not start it again, PLEASE. > If > you can't figure out the functionality I'm talking about please go find > an old Sun3 or Sun4c machine and install SunOS. >=20 I'm just trying to understand how a file system image can be useful on Alpha. When I asked a similar question for sparc64, the answer was: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 11:57:58AM -0400, Jake Burkholder wrote: > > boot.flp is actually useful on sparc64 because you can dd it to a disk > from solaris and then boot off it to install. I'm happy with having > the option of not building it if it saves time but please make it an > option. > > Jake Something along these lines for Alpha? Even if it does work for Alpha too (please tell me how), the miniboot.iso is still much more useful, as it allows one to install on a "bare" machine, while using a file system image requires some other OS/loader/whatever already installed on this machine that also understands this file system image. While I can easily see how this works for sparc64 (it uses sunlabel(8) which SUNs apparently understand), I cannot intuit how and if the same is going to work on Alpha, so please tell me. This is a simple question: given the file system image with a GENERIC kernel and an MFS root file system on it, how it can be used to install FreeBSD on Alpha? Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software Ltd, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/J+omUkv4P6juNwoRAozTAKCFKZB5XV6qM8+7vRjQQczNWGLqHQCeL09X 1ARaBNo52y9DE0JoeAUKaYY= =x6yX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy--